Chumbucket *SPOILERS*

[Mr.Bear]

I can't put into words how sad I was when Chumbucket died at the end. This is the saddest i've been in a long time. And then to see him back right after in the back of the Magnum Opus. I can't hear his voice with out hearing his sad "Praise Be" Before his get's knocked of and set a blaze. It almost ruins it for me. How did you feel?

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

i did not feel bad.
it's Chumbucket's fault.
Nobody forced Chumbucket to stand infront of the car.
Chumbucket chose a car over his own life. Which is just foolish.

A man (max) should do what needs to be done, in this case, Punish the criminal.

[Mr.Bear]

Fair point.

[Interceptor]

Finished the game just few hours ago. I must say it was really one of the saddest endings I have seen in a good while. Which I appreciate and hate at the same time, as I like "non-happyending" stories for not being a klishe, though this one really got me. I understand Max'es attitude to other people - he is a loner, he fears to grow any relationship with anyone, as he is afraid of losing a close person... again. That's why he refused to get any closer to Hope for instance, or why he left everyone who he got involved with in Mad Max 2 and 3 movies - he's an archetype of the Lone Hero, he has always been.
However I dont understand, or better, I dont recognize Max'es decision to ignore Chumbuckets life and bursting Magnum Opus into Land Mover, knowing that Chum would die. Even though he has no close relationship with Chum, such desicion is not something the Lone Hero archetype would do. In fact, he is always a "do-gooder" in his nature, hell he was a cop back then. He would not just willingly let an innocent person die. I know he is a man of action, whose filosofy is that sometimes sacrifice is needed for the greater good, but still... If the Chum was a random stranger, fine then, he could sacrifice him if the greater evil was punished (or his own revange done, either way, in this case its the same), and thus many other lives could be saved for instance. But hey, Chumbucket helped Max from the very begging of this story, and even though he refuses any closer relationship, especially emotional, with anyone, I dont believe he would just let him die like this. Why he tried to save Hope than? If he doesnt care about other peoples lives, he could just grab the car Chum take from him, and walk away, leaving Hope and Glory on their own (result would be the same anyway). But he did care. And thus I think he would care about Chum the same way.
So in my opinion it wasnt a right desicion of the game's writters, they missed the archetype of their character. On the other hand, it wasnt a happy-ending klishe, so maybe its better this way.
Either way, Chum is back in post-story game, which was at least a bit satisfying for me, and I will be happy to roam the Wasteland with him again (though for a proper Mad Max feeling, Im mostly driving my fancy Interceptor now :D).

[Mr.Bear]

I thank thee for sharing thyn opinion with me.

[リアンダ]

I think what people ofthen tend to forget about Mad Max is that he is two things. Yes he is Max Rockatansky but he is also MAD. I've been a huge fan of the Mad Max movies for years now and I read a couple of comics and artbooks about him as well. The creator of Mad Max, George Miller, makes it quite clear that Max' sanity is relative. In comparison to all the sadistic and batsh*t crazy individuals that roam the wasteland he might seem like a pretty reasonable guy but he really isn't by our real world standards.

The Fury mechanic in the game for example was specifically implement to illustrate how frequently Max crosses the border into rage and madness. I assume that the dream sequence served a similar purpose. Partially Max saw the things he did due to the hallucinogenic drugs the organic mechanic had administered him during surgery but I'm sure a "saner" Max wouldn't have seen a talking Dinky De. Max surely isn't a sadist who enjoys seeing suffering but he knows what he wants and he'll do anything to get it. He isn't reluctant to murdering numerous warboys and looting their water, fuel and scrapsupplies. We even see him kill a woman in a cagefight without much hesitation even though she had initially helped him to win the race vs Stank Gum.

Also keep in mind that Chumbucket driving off with the Magnum Opus has most likely destroyed what little trust and affection Max might have developed for the hunchback over the course of the story. So all things considered Max asking Chumbucket to get off the car was already a sign of empathy that he wouldn't have shown towards 99,9% of the other wastelanders he has come across during his adventures.

[Mr.Bear]

Thank you for your input.

[{<>i<>} Hoplite]

Originally posted by Mr.Bear:

I can't put into words how sad I was when Chumbucket died at the end. This is the saddest i've been in a long time. And then to see him back right after in the back of the Magnum Opus. I can't hear his voice with out hearing his sad "Praise Be" Before his get's knocked of and set a blaze. It almost ruins it for me. How did you feel?

LOL its payback dude for all the times you got smashed in the legs when you call for the wheels.

[furbleburble]

Originally posted by {<>i<>} Hoplite:

LOL its payback dude for all the times you got smashed in the legs when you call for the wheels.

omg so true

In all seriousness, Max showed a willingness to help people, even if it's only because he gets something out of it. Don't get in his way, though.

Personally, I felt bad for Chum, but at the same time I think it's Chum's fault. But I don't think Chum chose a car over his own life, but rather, I think he chose the Angel Combustion. I think it's an important distinction. The Opus was never more than a car to Max.

[{<>i<>} Hoplite]

Yep true even the option to give some of your water to those who need it in regards to the opus when fully upgraded it is an awesome car :).

[Sporkmaster]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝ Cloud Boy ⎠⎞:

i did not feel bad.
it's Chumbucket's fault.
Nobody forced Chumbucket to stand infront of the car.
Chumbucket chose a car over his own life. Which is just foolish.

A man (max) should do what needs to be done, in this case, Punish the criminal.

In a world where cars and gas are worth much more then a human life, do you really act surprised that he did what he did? I mean he gave up a high living spot to build he dream car and then see Max destroy it without a care? Do you really expect him to do anything less?

[{<>i<>} Hoplite]

Chumbucket left the world with the one and only he loved steel and cogs replaced for the true love he could not have in the real World a wife or girlfriend.and Max could do no wrong as in his eyes max was a saint a person acknowleged as Holy.

EDITED for Spam reasons.

[Dragoon]

It honestly did not make sense for him to sacrifice the car. The ending of having Max go back to square one was just way too forced.

[deeper]

Originally posted by VenomOcelot:

It honestly did not make sense for him to sacrifice the car.

I thought he was just being a bit hasty and it didn't really work out but he was wracked with guilt and rage, so fair enough.

Originally posted by VenomOcelot:

The ending of having Max go back to square one was just way too forced.

The thing is with Mad Max is that he's a monlithic character and a fairly simple one at that, he's mad, he drives around a post-apocalyptic landscape in a car and engages in violent activity while being haunted by his past, that's pretty much it.

It's the same with Batman, there are many stories concerning his exploits but there is no character progression. There can't be, he's Batman and it's the same is with Max, he literally can't change and must always come full circle. So in a sense it is forced and always will be.

[Cyba]

I can get things needing to come full circle, but I feel like the ending was as if the circle was left open and they just closed it with a straight line. I can get him losing his sanity and destroying the car, but the plot device of the big bad having reassembled his car and then being able to drive it after blowing it up yourself is a bit disappointing. Could have had a bit of a epilogue where he roamed about and put the car back together by himself (alone). All the parts would still be in that area afterall.

[Dragoon]

1. Shut up you talk too much.

2. It was way too forced and cheesy. I understand Mad Max you ♥♥♥♥♥♥.