Story Telling & Lore Question:

[R.E.D.Scorpion]

I liked the Game & the Movies but there’s something bothering me which I find "REALLY DUMB" even in fiction standards.

"HOW THE HELL DID THE OCEANS/SEAS VANISH?"

"There’s Logic to Its Madness", a saying which can’t be applied here.
I like to read Lore & well written Stories but when a Fictional/Sci-Fi story still sounds dumb, it breaks the immersion.

I tried to theories as to what caused the entire water surface to disappear since there’s no Lore to it others than "Nuclear War" which is Ridiculous & Inaccurate as ♥♥♥♥. Even if u explode every Nuclear Warhead & Explosive Device there is on the planet at the same time, it would only make the air unbreathable, the Temperature would probably rise but the Oceans/Seas won’t be affected a bit other than being polluted.

So I went to Science to theories & the most scientifically shot theory is literally the End of the World as we know it where no living creature is standing. The temperature needs to be at Least +108 Degrees caused by a God like source of Energy thus the Oxygen would be very heavy if existent at all & no atmosphere. Earth would be a dead planet.

So can anyone explain this ♥♥♥♥ to me? Did I miss anything?

[Protag]

mad max takes place in australia.

boom, problem solved!


a nation that has the world's deadliest animals in it has no water.

[Pantherr]

I don't know that either mate. In fact I have recently been going thru the MM movies and even in MM2 it rained at one point..

[Pantherr]

Yes, we have the deadliest creatures here, but we DO also have water

[Lukey Pooky]

it's a video game, logic can be bent.

[Ryuu]

I agree, it doesn't make sense, unless Max has found a vast desert area, while other parts of the planet does not look like Dune/Arrakis. We don't get to see satellite images after all, so we can't be sure it's all so dry? Maybe volcanic changes massively changed surface of the Earth, causing water to be less equally distributed.
The depiction of the planet in Water World makes a lot more sense, seen that movie from the same era? It's cool, but everyone just considers it to be "Mad Max on water", what's wrong with that? I wouldn't mind a sequel/remake/modern game based on that universe.

[R.E.D.Scorpion]

Originally posted by luke:

it's a video game, logic can be bent.

Dude, read what i said, even in "FICTION" & "SCI-FI" theres logic to their madness and craziness.

[Ryuu]

Yeah, i guess in this case film director really does not care a lot to make a cohesive story/stories :) They don't link even between themselves. He's not a sci-fi director, he just makes awesome action movies :P Without trying to build a universe.

Notice how "narrator" only ever describes past, not how the world looks like now.

[ZaggRukk]

So we know today, that this waterless (or at least extremely limited water) world can't exist (to this extent). But, considering the author of MM isn't a scientist and probably didn't do any research into the outcome of a nuclear war. You really can't blame him. As far as he and everyone else in the world knew, back then, this could be an outcome of nuclear war. You have to take into consideration that this was written in the 60's-70's. Storytelling had a lot more leeway to fudge the story. Unfortunately today, we have critics who have to question everything and make sure that even fantasy is plausible. It's a story. 50-60 years ago, the world really didn't know what the extent of nuclear war would be. So, the "logic" behind this story would be that they actually thought this could happen. And there is no need to update this. To do so, would ruin the franchise.

[Ryuu]

Well, let's just presume oceans only vanished in a huge area where Max is living. Like i said - geovulcanic activity caused by nuclear war caused some parts of the Earth rise a lot, so the other side should be mostly underwater, like in Water World movie.

Damn, now i want Water World + Mad Max crossover.

[ZaggRukk]

Originally posted by Ryuu:

Well, let's just presume oceans only vanished in a huge area where Max is living. Like i said - geovulcanic activity caused by nuclear war caused some parts of the Earth rise a lot, so the other side should be mostly underwater, like in Water World movie.

Damn, now i want Water World + Mad Max crossover.

Interesting. . . .'cept for the part of Waterworld. In that story the entire globe was underwater, except for presumably the tallest peaks, due to the polar ice caps melting. But, even with today's science, we still can't predict if there is enough ice to completely cover the earth in water if it ALL melted.

Of course we could all just be thinking in the wrong direction. Maybe the author was a flattard and all of the water just "fell off" the edge. . . .

And your WW/MM x-over is called "The Postman".

[[PHC-MC]Septic]

I actually subscribe to the idea that the end times in Mad Max, were triggered by some form of Chemical or Biological substance, that can break down the covalent bonds in H2O, triggering the loss of water on the planet; you could also throw in that the increased Oxygen in the atmosphere, assists in the excessive rust Max witnesses everywhere and the general disorientation everyone seems to be experiencing. Plus, everything seems to blow up, but that could also be Max. I guess whatever caused it would also have to be relatively heavy, in that it's not been carried into the upper atmosphere (there are large clouds seen in both the film series & the games) as a break in the ozone barrier would have much more devestating effects than was seen in the MM films. The additional oxygen may have even helped strengthen the ozone layer, but then - Greenhouse effect (see Venus) so there could be even worse things to come later on.

That said - George Miller likes to tell a more low-key and ambiguous tale, leaving a lot to the imagination, which is kind of what makes Mad Max work. That was actually my biggest concern about Fury Road, that they'd throw in too much back-story and not enough action. I'm very glad it did not end up being the case.

[Ryuu]

Originally posted by ZaggRukk:

Interesting. . . .'cept for the part of Waterworld. In that story the entire globe was underwater, except for presumably the tallest peaks, due to the polar ice caps melting. But, even with today's science, we still can't predict if there is enough ice to completely cover the earth in water if it ALL melted.

Yeah, i know that in that movie it's also a bit overboard, the world would not be THAT MUCH sunken under the water. Or maybe again they're sailing somewhere where the land level was already pretty low :) But still that world is far more plausible than in Mad Max. More plausible aftermath of global nuclear war would be nuclear winter - so cold barren lands with dirty and maybe even frozen water and barely visible sun.

Of course we could all just be thinking in the wrong direction. Maybe the author was a flattard and all of the water just "fell off" the edge. . . .

If you use a trainer to drive endlessly into Big Nothing - it's actually the case, you'll just fall of the edge of the world, lol
Maybe director thinks the water can just seep through cracks in Earth surface? Or maybe he read too much Dune but didn't want to transfer Max to another planet :)

And your WW/MM x-over is called "The Postman".

Have never heard, interesting, and again stars Kevin Costner :)
BTW there's even an old Windows game on Water World, though i haven't played it, don't know how good it is. Description seemed fine and fitting.

[ZaggRukk]

@ Septic. The ruined wasteland was a direct result of nuclear devestation. That much is known. Any chemical alterations to the world would have been a direct result of the nuclear war. And there is no mention of anything biological happening. Again, this movie was written in the 60-70's where that was not a thing to consider. Not on a global level anyway.

@ Ryuu. Part of WW takes place over Denver, CO. He (Costner) dove down deep enough to grab dirt from the bottom. Technically speaking if he were in that region, he either wouldn't have enough rope for his air bubble contraption to make it down that far, or they would have been able to see the Rocky mtn range in the distance. The city is only a mile high. But the mountains keep going!

One other thing to consider it that we are all correct to a point with this. There is a theory that if a nuclear war were to happen, that it could be plausible for enough strikes to cause earthquakes. Those earthquakes, would, in turn, disrupt the tectonic plates and might cause them to move more than usual. Now, considering that we are due for a plate shift. And that shift will be very subtle. It is possible that the nuclear war could have advanced the movement of the plates and caused one or more to shift enough to cause a fissure. This would explain what the OP says is impossible. If this fissure were to be big enough to open up the crust far enough to reach the mantle (or close enough to it), that would do two things. First, it would cause a trench big enough to drain the ocean's water. And second, it would also be hot enough to evaporate anything else that got sucked in, including the initial water that found it's way there.

[Arnold J Rimmer]

How do we know its a ocean? i mean sure, its in the "Codex" (cant remember exact names) But this is the apoclaypse, Facts can be twisted. They call gas Guzzoline for gods sake! And yes, the ships. Maybe a extremely high tide caused by the nuclear bomb? idk. (im not a scientist so excuse me if my facts are wrong ;)) Also, the other half of the map aside from The Great White
is the surface! How does that work? Its on the S A M E E L E V A T I O N !
Much Wow Very Confuse

[Lukey Pooky]

Originally posted by R.E.D.Scorpion:

Originally posted by luke:

it's a video game, logic can be bent.

Dude, read what i said, even in "FICTION" & "SCI-FI" theres logic to their madness and craziness.

i know what you said DUDE. their is no logic, and if you want a scientific explanation then their is none. and if it breaks your immersion and is dumb then tough sh!t lol. go hassle george miller.