unepic neuron library boss, UNFAIR MECHANIC!!!

[TRAIN FOX]

playing this boss was one of the most #@$#@ experiance of my life and this is why.

during the fight Neuron will force you to through out your potions. after seeing this any rational player would then kill themselves and drop all there potions on the ground before the fight starts.

HOWEVER, Neuron will force you to telliport home near the end of the fight which erases anything that you dropped on the ground. The game doesnt tell you that you have to drop your halo during the fight, or even give a hint. The game just unfarly erased all my potions.

Has this happened to anyone else.

[Frahg]

I totally agree with the OP on this. This boss is really badly designed. I do appreciate the novelty of him using your own inventory and skills against you and I think conceptually the idea is very clever but there are just so many problems with the implementation that I hated him.

His destroying your items is really lame, because it's permanent. Chances are you aren't prepared the first time going in, so he's going to destroy all the potions you're carrying. I personally feel like potions are a pain in the ass to create in the first place (so maybe this is the real problem) but in destroying them what he's doing is costing me more time outside the combat. That's really an unjust punishment.

Also, I think anyone who forces you to completely change your character design is bad. I'm okay with a guy who is immune to fire forcing someone to fall back on another skill, but if you based your character entirely on magic, you shouldn't find yourself completely neutered. Complementary to this complaint, certain skills shouldn't make or break this fight. I didn't have the healing skill yet when I reached this guy (because I couldn't find the white pot). So when I went into this fight I was relying on potions (a terrible strategy) and I found I had no chance to beat him without either going back and grinding up some more levels or figuring out how to finish the healing skill quest (which is what I did, using youtube).

Finally, like perigee says, once you figure it out it still takes a long time to kill him. He should be simple if you know the trick, as it was I had to spend a long time healing and repeatedly bashing him to get through it and it wasn't a fun fight.

All in all that's the key point. He wasn't fun and when I did finally beat him it wasn't satisfying it was relieving and I kind of don't want to play any more Unepic as a result of this fight (a bad thing).

[Dr.Disaster]

Originally posted by Frahg:

His destroying your items is really lame, because it's permanent. Chances are you aren't prepared the first time going in, so he's going to destroy all the potions you're carrying.

Neuron does not destroy potions. What he does is let you empty them which you can do all by yourself when you feel you made/found the wrong potion.

Originally posted by Frahg:

Also, I think anyone who forces you to completely change your character design is bad.

Huh what? Neuron does not force you to change your character. All you need is a melee weapon you can handle and then go after him. How do you think where my mage and my archer doing him? They used their bash-a-barrel/wall weapon and surely did not respec or misplace points to finish Neuron.

Nevertheless you CAN use potions vs. Neuron at any stage of the fight. All you need to do is place your potions in stacks of 1 across the room, then pick up only one(!) after you land a blow on the boss and use it immediatly.

[Frahg]

Originally posted by Dr.Disaster:

Neuron does not destroy potions. What he does is let you empty them which you can do all by yourself when you feel you made/found the wrong potion.

Do you get all the materials back when you empty a potion? Because if not, he's destroying your potions. Yes, you get to keep the empty bottle, but that's not the point. The materials scrounging (and sometimes simple fact you don't even know how to make potions you might have) is what he's destroying.

Originally posted by Dr.Disaster:

Huh what? Neuron does not force you to change your character. All you need is a melee weapon you can handle and then go after him. How do you think where my mage and my archer doing him? They used their bash-a-barrel/wall weapon and surely did not respec or misplace points to finish Neuron.

It's certainly not fair to say you "can't" defeat him simply because you haven't practiced any melee skills because that's just inaccurate. But I do think it's fair to consider leaving all your mana and items behind, mapping keys to weapons and spells you don't use dramatically if not completely changing your character. You can't even respec yet at the point you meet Neuron, so you can't really adjust your character more than say buying points into skills you don't need.

But really my point is, his defenses are too broad and that makes him no fun. If he is immune to my primary skills and I have to fall back on something that is outside my play style and character build, I'm not going to have a good time. The fight is going to be hard, take a long time, and just be frustrating (which this boss is).

Changing your character is possibly a solution to make this boss fun, but that's not an acceptable solution at all to me.

Originally posted by Dr.Disaster:

Nevertheless you CAN use potions vs. Neuron at any stage of the fight. All you need to do is place your potions in stacks of 1 across the room, then pick up only one(!) after you land a blow on the boss and use it immediatly.

That is a ridiculous suggestion but a possibility nevertheless.

[Dr.Disaster]

Originally posted by Frahg:

Originally posted by Dr.Disaster:

Neuron does not destroy potions. What he does is let you empty them which you can do all by yourself when you feel you made/found the wrong potion.

Do you get all the materials back when you empty a potion? Because if not, he's destroying your potions. Yes, you get to keep the empty bottle, but that's not the point. The materials scrounging (and sometimes simple fact you don't even know how to make potions you might have) is what he's destroying.

Originally posted by Dr.Disaster:

Nevertheless you CAN use potions vs. Neuron at any stage of the fight. All you need to do is place your potions in stacks of 1 across the room, then pick up only one(!) after you land a blow on the boss and use it immediatly.

That is a ridiculous suggestion but a possibility nevertheless.

Ridiculous is to whine about a situation with a really simple solution. Any potion sitting on the floor of Neuron's room is completly safe. All you have to do is to drop them - along with all your teleportation stuff and offensive magic essences - before summoning him. Problem solved. Now if you want to use potions during this fight is up to you, i just told you how it's done.

[Nerimo]

Another simple solution if he teleported you away and you used a whole bunch of potions up... Dont save it. Exit and reload from before fighting him.

[Efflora]

The boss isn't unfair, it's just a huge curveball. You arn't forced to lose all your potions. One option is to halo back once you realise what's happening. From there you can just drop all the potions in the boss room, and then you're pretty much set.

Though I suppose if you didn't know that he would halo you back, your items would be stolen. That can be reversed by killing theives to get a scroll that teleports you to their hideout which has all their items.

[MevNav]

Sorry for bumping an old topic, but I gotta get this off of my chest, and this is the first one that comes up when you search for it.

This boss is very OP. I can appreicate an out-of-the-box mechanic, but TELL US BEFORE YOU DO THIS CRAP. Potions are hard enough to get in this game, but for something to force you to destroy all of them one by one, and then teleport you out when you've nearly won is just plain wrong! It doesn't help that I didn't even know there was a bank until I looked up this thread. This is not the kind of fight we can just jump into without knowing at least something about him!

I would have handled this very differently. Shadow/Sera, whatever his name is, while humorous and interesting, is the only source of information about this boss, and he told us diddly squat. Two ways this could have been remedied are 1) A book that told of a brave hero and his attempts to slay Neuron, and his eventual humiliating defeat or his forced teleporation and following suicide, or 2) A friendly NPC that tells you information about Neuron, perhaps after a short quest or small (or large) sum of gold.

[mckerrnel13]

Well, I don't have any potions that would harm me, but I do have a spell of Fire Breath. Unfortunately I can't un-learn it or drop it. EVERY time I get close to a wall to climb up the ladder, he makes me cast Fire Breath against the wall and it reflects back and kills me almost instantly. There's no way to stop this, so I'm pretty much stuck here.


EDIT: Nevermind. I dropped the red magic essence as a last resort and since it didn't have the ingredients for the spell it couldn't kill me. There's thinking outside the box, and then there's just dumb...was not a fan of this boss at all. I don't mind if tactics change so there's no pattern, but making you fight him more than once just because he teleported you away...that's just irritating.

[Zhyr]

It wouldn't have been so bad if you didn't have to drop all the potions, etc every time or run the risk of losing them to a stupid mistake.
I got him down to 2 hits max and died because he tipped out one of my potions which I forgot I had on a shortcut, which incidentally ends up being confusing since they're all almost exactly the same(so you tend to use the wrong one by accident and wonder what went wrong when you die).

*goes back to banging head against the concrete floor because it's more enjoyable than this fight*

[bad]

You can't expect it, but thinking helps. The first debuff he gives you is 'suicidal thoughts'. I killed myself with a fireball and though a bit about it. I dropped everything except for weapons, armour, green essences and stuff like that. All potions, other essences, teleports and scrolls were on the ground. If you would just think a little bit, you would realize that stuff like that would happen. Yes, it's unfair, but you can guess it.

[A Pile of Owls]

My problem with Neuron isn't that he forces me to waste my stuf, I can accept that, I can avoid that, but when he hovers to the top middle of the screen where I can't hit him and stays there I have to draw a line. I waited for 10 damn minutes letting him shoot his beam at me because every single time he'd stop and move he stayed way high in the air ad I couldn't even scatch him. I can deal with cheeky bosses that do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ things because it's a boss, let him be hard, but at least allow the player to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fight back!

[bad]

Use a arcane shock scroll. He'll move.

[KaiserBolt]

I've got to agree with the sentiment that while he was a boss with interesting mechanics, they are brought out in a way that you could not anticipate beforehand, which made it feel very cheap the first time around. A player going through this fight would probably have to lose (die or teleport) at least three times before getting everything right.

As mentioned before, it would have been nice to have some way to figure it out before an unavoidable loss of every potion (I'm OCD about not using potions so I had a lot to lose, too), nearly instant death (found out just how much my magic-based character hurts), and being rooster-blocked when he's getting low on health. Perhaps a book or NPC that recounts stories of previous attempts, as MevNav suggested, or maybe even have Neuron force open a copy of the inventory menu so we see that he's attempting something and can Halo out before he wastes a stack of our finest vintage Minor Healing potions.

[Dr.Disaster]

Originally posted by DoS-MoP KaiserBolt:

I've got to agree with the sentiment that while he was a boss with interesting mechanics, they are brought out in a way that you could not anticipate beforehand, which made it feel very cheap the first time around. A player going through this fight would probably have to lose (die or teleport) at least three times before getting everything right.

As mentioned before, it would have been nice to have some way to figure it out before an unavoidable loss of every potion (I'm OCD about not using potions so I had a lot to lose, too), nearly instant death (found out just how much my magic-based character hurts), and being rooster-blocked when he's getting low on health. Perhaps a book or NPC that recounts stories of previous attempts, as MevNav suggested, or maybe even have Neuron force open a copy of the inventory menu so we see that he's attempting something and can Halo out before he wastes a stack of our finest vintage Minor Healing potions.

Unepic is not a game that holds your hand which is a good thing. Half the fun in defeating tough bosses like Neuron is the discovery of their abilities and how to counter them.

Just did him again with a new character and i found him rather easy. All i had with me was my old lvl 1 sword and a bunch of green essences; all potions and red/blue essences were stored in the bank. Dropped all teleportation stuff, called the floating plant to help fight and heal during the first half of the fight until Neuron's direction reversal kicks in. After that i went with lesser healing/regeneration spells until he died.

[KaiserBolt]

Neuron is absolutely easy... once you learn his tricks. And I know the game doesn't hold your hand but in this boss fight it does blind-side you a bit. There's no way to know it's coming, aside from reading spoilers on the internet. It's something that you have to know beforehand in order to prevent, and once it's happened, the damage is done and there's no coping. That's the only issue I have.