2 Katanas in main weapon slot

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So you can carry two Katanas in your main weapon slot, and one in the second weapon slot. Total of three weapons carried this way. (Which only works with the katanas.)

The animations always show you as only wielding one weapon. No matter what you have equpied.

Does the damage stack from carrying two weapons in the main slot? Is this a waste of weight, and just carrying around potential cats for no reason?

[Farsight]

Carrying two katana in the same slot has no effect in combat and is only useful if you're short on inventory space. Though dual wielding katana would be awesome.

I actually use the duel wield in Kendo, nito-ryu is my favorite style since it is very difficult to find a Master that will teach it, and if you want to learn it properly you will need a Master, it is a very difficult style to master.

When you're playing nitō-ryū against a Ittō-ryū most usually don't know how to handle us. The closest they've come to a nito-ryu wielder is likely a friend goofing off. So unless their experianced against a nito-ryu master they'll likely fall into two categories. Those who are wary of the shoto or those who only consider the Daito the real threat.

The shoto (short shinai) is the real game winner, close the gap quickly on the first round, block and hold with the Daito (long Sword) and then go for either the neck or shoulder joint with the Shoto. The shoulder joint is the esiest and safest target, but neck thrust while leave a lasting impression that will have you opponent caughing for the rest of the day. Neck thrusts also instill fear and remind fellow trainers that despite the armour and bamboo sticks, death in the ring is still a reality.

Daito is the bread maker because everyone underestimates it. In Ittō-ryū (one sword) most points are won with quick slashing strikes, in nitō-ryū (two sword) the Daito is more adept at thrusting and weilded in a single hand has a more flexible, longer and wider reach in comparison to holding it with two hands. Of course people expect this, what catches people off guard is the strength behind it. When you consider that all nitō-ryū masters will have mastered Ittō-ryū first, it's hard to imagine that they would be stronger with nitō-ryū. Momentum and postioning are the keys, you're in a much better postion to deliver thrusts with momentum, and the only weakness (your opponent dodges or flurries) is covered with the shoto.

Wow I wrote a lot more than I though I did... Oh well, que sera sera. I really do hope they add duel wielding and represent it's superiority to single wielding, instead of what other games have done to it. >_>

[Honorable Discharge]

Originally posted by Farsight:

When you're playing nitō-ryū against a Ittō-ryū most usually don't know how to handle us. The closest they've come to a nito-ryu wielder is likely a friend goofing off. So unless their experianced against a nito-ryu master they'll likely fall into two categories.

And for those who think that Ryu is either a dragon or a street fighter character, what does that mean?

And I hope, I really hope, that there will be naginatas and other polearms. Polearms are awesome. And I hope it'll be possible to loot the enemy's head, and to put them on spikes near your town's entrance. Just to scare other bandits.

[{Tweaker}Spets767]

Has no one ever heard of Musashi... You know the guy that wrote the most influential book on Japanese sword fighting and how to be a warrior. The Book of Five Rings were he actually says that dual wielding swords is actually not only practical but when outnumbered is the most useful sword style. You basically use a Katana and Wakizashi in conjuncture, you use the Katana to hold enemies at bay and move into their fighting space then quickly strike with the Wakizashi to dispatch the enemy. Musashi effectively fought a little over 60 enemy samurai and killed every one of them while they surrounded him by using this fighting style. Dual wielding works.

[Aztekka223]

Originally posted by gmat:

Originally posted by Hart BloodMouth:

But honestly, the fact that the character can run for days under the sun without needing food or water really surprised me.

That will be added.

DAMIT

[Aztekka223]

like someone said the kanta is like the light saber in starwars its ture becouse there both two handed http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rf1U-YeGnRM

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Kenshi has a asian touch and I think dual wielding would fit very good to the game. Not absolutely a two handet Katan (cause of the blade length). I m not a historian but I current read "the book of the five rings" of Miyamoto Musashi, who was a legendary japanese swordfighter. He used dual wielding (I think one weapon was a Bokuto).

I m reffering too, that some ninja school teaching the art of fighting with two swords. They used shorter variants with a straight blade (not bent).

And how about Krabi Krabong? A martial art out of Thailand that shall to be several thousand of years old. Fighting with two swords is a part of it (not the only one).

Where I dont know if it is historical correct, is Spartacus (I dont mean the TV-Series now). But he shall to be a good battler with two Gladius? Dont know and cant underpin this.Juts know that there are Gladiators called Dimachaerus who fighted with two short swords.

Mitsugi Saotome. He is a Japanese aikido instructor currently living in the United States (from Wikipeadia). He knows how to handle two swords and I think he teaches it or has teached it.

Sorry for that long text and if my english isnt that good, but I lkie the topic of handling two swords

Mitsugi Saotome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncG5g9RGTdE

Spear vs Two swords (I think its more choreography):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CPO_nEQr5M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z8kea1mwp8

And just a freestyler learning Vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk3pmvNe-eY


Dual wielding would be very nice for Kenshi and btw I bough Kenshi two days ago and I loving it. Awesome!

[Nadlug]

Originally posted by kuro_kitsune:

I still think it would be cool to implement dual wielding like this, equipping 2 katanas in the first slot should let you wield both at once. This still allows a secondary weapon to be equipped although I think the secondary weapon slot should be expanded if he intends to require quivers for bolts or whatever.

There has been a great deal of discussion on this very topic and every time it boils down to how dual weilding weapons and using them offensivly is a realisticly unfeesable form of combat. Its pure holywood bascily. In reality arming yourself in this manner would open yourself to an easy Parry or Repost and youd wind up with a whole in your chest.
Historicly Dual wielding has only ever been used almost extensively for Ceremonial or Ritual Mock combat

It woudl be certanly neat to have ingame, it is a game after all, but it seemed the general opinion and the opinion that of the develoeprs was agaisnt it. (the last time i saw this discussion)

As with all things that may change :P

Originally posted by khargor:

Some lovely videos.

Unfortunately yes those were purely coreagraphed, Noticed how when the gentlemen with the dual swoards is laying into his opponent with a flurry and his opponent mearly backes away. If it were real he could easly take advantage of both his range advantage from his spear and his opponents lack of a defence.
The last vido is littelry just some guy twirling blades. When he talkes about lostening his grip on his last 2 fingers I laughed. That sort of thign will get your Blade nocked out of your hand very easily
http://youtu.be/-GzVpSypCFY?t=4m8s

Now I did say almost exclusivly earlyer. As with all things there are exceptions to the rule.

Eskrima is the one fighting style I do know of that dose utilise Dual weilding in combat. The vast majority of the techniques this syle uses are generally intended for unarmed or single weapon however they are very adaptable and can be modified for two weapons
They use exclusivly shot sticks and knives and blades while incorpreating melee and grappling as well.The weapons are lightweightand short, nothign the size of a standard katana or even a Tanto (kind of the main issue with dual weilding is that you are using your off hand for complex manuvers, abidextiry and many many years of training and pratice aside)
Eskrima origionates in the Philippines and is still praticed to this day. As with any martial arts competitions are held regularly. Supprisingly though some become quite bloody as real weapons are used on occasion.

The or history channel did had an episode of Human Weapon that covered Eskrima. Unfortunately the full episode is blocked in my country on YT.

Another thing to keep in mind is that it will take signifigatly more time to learn how to use two weapons in combat than it dose to learn just one and you dont really benifit from two all that much in the end.

If anyone has any video proof of other styles using dual weapons in a real combat situation feel free to make me look like a bumbling idiot :)

I hate to make this long post any longer but this whole thing made me start watching some vidoes of various styles combatting each other in exhibition matches. I started to notice just how important range is into your chosen weapons combat ability

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X6wb0FC6Fg

Here we have a Naginata vs Kendo match, both are long range weapons. Notice how when at a distance they have a variety of options avalible, however when they clash and are face to face there really isnt anythign either of them can do unless one risks backing away and being struck in the process.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JapMGyUbT68

Now we have a Kendo Vs Eskrima (dual weild too!) and you can eaisly see how dificult it is for the Eskrima combatant to safely get in to land any meaningfull hits, however once he IS in he has a clear advantage due to the shortness of his weaponry.

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NeoCat: Dont get me wrong I dont want to attack u now .

I say that I think the two videos in the middle are just choreographet and at the last one I write that it is just freestyle what had nothing to do with true combat. Fact is that there is no witness of a time period. As well as. But also a fact is that there are historical heritage and suggesion about fighting with two Weapons (not only swords). For example, kenjustu is the japanese art of fencing with a longsword and one escortsword. That is only a part of it but it is dual wielding.

What i was allready writing down was about Miyamoto Musashi. His worts: "make yourself aware the efficacy of both swords cause the true is that u should use every weapon u got as opposed to throw your life away. To die with an unused weapon in your belt, that would very unfortunately".
And he was just one man (or warrior) who goes his own way to becomes a legend.

I mean dual wielding is not the one and only badass art of fighting that no one can beat, rly no. I just want to say that I think that is just one way of manys that have his place like combat with a spear, or a knife, or a axe or a bow or a crosswbow or a shuriken or a sickle or unarmed or something else. Hard to learn? Yes. Hard to master? Yes, like many other arts of fighting.

To cut a long story short: In my eyes with dual wielding, Kenshi would be more bonny than it is at the moment


at least a Video of Krabi Krabon (Thai) (no choreographic)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gUWTR1IrE0

[Nadlug]

Originally posted by khargor:

at least a Video of Krabi Krabon (Thai) (no choreographic)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gUWTR1IrE0

:lampoff:

That indeed is not a choreographed. Rather fierce bit of sparrign im certain they goth some bruises out of that.

I never ment to imply that "Dual weilding is fake" , only that the vast majority of what people see is either Cinemography, Coreography or Ceremonial.
Truth be told there are quite a lot of different types of Daggers specifcly intended to be used in the offhand for defence.
Trident Daggers for catching and trapping an incoming weapon. Swordbreakers for twisting them out of your opponents grasp or at least hold it in place and the french Main Gauche which litterly translates to left hand. All of which could be simple metal rods with some sort of handguard, instead they are all sharpened and just as deadly as any other weapon so oviously at some point they have been used by some oppurtunistic swordsman.

Dual weilding Katanas though, sadly its unrealistic there too large to Weild effectively with one hand each. People often underestimate the size and weight of a katana. Were talking a good 5 pounds of steel on the upper end of the scale thats stretched out to be around 70 cm long. When it gets moving it picks up inertia fast. Would love to see Some Katars, Sais, knives, all all manner of other types of weaponry come into the game, Dual weild or not.

[Honorable Discharge]

You forget the part about them being folded over a million time.
I'll just wait for Kenshi to include polearms and the spiked staff of menaces in the game. And oni masks, for maximum roleplay.

[Nadlug]

Gah a Childhood fantsy of mine was to become a famous blacksmith, forging varrious tools for the populace and arms and armor for nobility and traveling warriors.

Then I realised I Cannot stand the heat. Anything over 80 farenheit is unbearable with 70-79 buing generally uncomfortable.
I dont know why i still live in Texas.

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So last words from me to this topic .
U are totaly right NeoCat with what u say about dual wielding two katanas .
I allrdy say that I think the topic suggestion would be nice for kenshi as a sandbox game. Cause if you can put two weapons in your "Weapon 1" slot it might be they are just shorter variants.

And at last a Video I found .
I think they grapple with the art of ninjitsu good and there are more clips with differed kind of weapons but from the same school. There Homepage looks reputable too (sorry I dont want to make advertising it just cames out at my investigation to that issue. Btw I live in germany and they are in america)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rum-D53fRiM

regards

[Honorable Discharge]

Originally posted by NeoCat:

Gah a Childhood fantsy of mine was to become a famous blacksmith, forging varrious tools for the populace and arms and armor for nobility and traveling warriors.

Well, Skyrim allows you to mine ore, meld it into bars, and forge stuff out of it.
You can even enchant your weapon with a spell of soul capture, and gift it to a kid and smile as you're watching your adopted daughter stab a dummy with a soul-capturing dagger.
Too bad Skyrim doesn't let me meld weapons back into metal bars. That woulda been neat as hell.

What were we talking about?

[Nadlug]

Originally posted by Hartmann Smith:

Well, Skyrim...

Unfortunately I perferr Morrwind than Skyrim and Oblivion due to the over simplification of the game.

Originally posted by Hartmann Smith:

What were we talking about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_RpbaUU7NI

Swords, THELL ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CUT YOU!

[GrillMaster ✿]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_RpbaUU7NI

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