Kenshi
Reignswolf Dec 12, 2014 @ 1:17am
Theme music...
Am I the only one who just thinks the theme music for this game is terrible? It was such a turn off, in my review for this game I even added it as a negative.

However... Since listening to theme music on youtube while playing... It has made the game have a completely different feel to it for me. And I'm very much enjoying it more.

Music has always made a significant impact to me in video games, especially when done properly. Similar to FFVII, their music, at the right times made the events happening around you even more epic than they were. Similarly, with this game, I'm very relaxed while playing now, and having a completely different experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ezAKcylmcs

That is what I'm listening to. It's relaxing, and makes it much more... atmospheric.
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Nadlug Dec 12, 2014 @ 2:49pm 
Originally posted by Crosszeria:
Am I the only one who just thinks the theme music for this game is terrible?
Yes, you are.
Originally posted by Crosszeria:
That is what I'm listening to. It's relaxing, and makes it much more... atmospheric.

Kenshi's atmosphere is not ment to be relaxing, its a bleak world of hardships death and freakish wildlife.

I think you missed the point of the title theme completely.

The examples of music you have posted are far too happy and bombastic to be actually atmosphereic. Everyones a critic but from my perspective you have no clue what atmospheric music is.

Atmospheric music is music that fits the area its being played in. Ill give a couple examples from Super metorid one of the most atmospheric games ive ever played.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf4iI3kgP-o
Brinstar's music was upbeat and lively while at the same time sounding somewhat cavenous. Just like brinstar itself It was a subterranian jungle praticly teeming with life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyFcSHHdIQE
Going a bit deeper and beyond the plantgrowth you have a Hollow barren cavern with very little animal life. Brinstar Depths (or red soil if thats waht you want to call it) mimichs this with reverberating music with just a smidge of higher pitch piano synths to represent what little life there is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaSOg-LAMlk

Now we have Norfire, Hot as hell, hostile as hell and again cavenous. Reverberration, Synth vocals and precussions are the main feature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K96venBS7P8
Lower Maridia Another area teeming with life although this one being submerged in water. The music has a dulled tone with drawn out notes to reflect the sounds of the deep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIcn67RfLQw&index=2&list=RDK96venBS7P8

Going deper (dispite teh name being upper) you have Upper maridia, generally holds a darker more ominous theme than Lower Maridia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98RdRDaOsNg&list=RDK96venBS7P8&index=10
Lower Norfair (Ridley's lair) is the location of a much anticipated battle with the franchises recurring antagonist. Its also a stronghold for the space pirates and the music reflects this with being aggressive and bombastic.


Last edited by Nadlug; Dec 12, 2014 @ 3:11pm
CRNilsen Dec 12, 2014 @ 2:57pm 
One person's atmosphere is another person's cloud of toxic gas.
Reignhardt Dec 12, 2014 @ 3:13pm 
Originally posted by Nadlug:
[truncated bunch of awesome stuff about super metroid]

Wow! Yes I agree that music is all awesome!! Have you seen shinesparks take of metroid music on youtube?
Nadlug Dec 12, 2014 @ 3:15pm 
Originally posted by Reignhardt:
Originally posted by Nadlug:
[truncated bunch of awesome stuff about super metroid]

Wow! Yes I agree that music is all awesome!! Have you seen shinesparks take of metroid music on youtube?

No but a link would be appreciated, inital searchign just shows up with a bunch of people doing Shinespark tricks.
Drakken Dec 12, 2014 @ 3:49pm 
Originally posted by Sir Butta:
Originally posted by Drakken:
this is one of the very rare game i am playing with the music, maybe the only one.

and btw i hate all the samples in this thread, horrible!
some are even real p*beep* ;)

and do not listen the fish, he must be drunk, this music is terrible, well at least very stressful.
With a music like this i would play one hour and then i would go outside to kill someone.

I actually like the music Fishy linked, it is quite powerful.
Still I wouldn't like to see it in Kenshi at all, fits not a bit lol

Also calm down Drakken, no need to discuss. We like Kenshi's music and they don't - everybody has their own taste.


i am very calm don't worry ;)
JJskywalker Dec 13, 2014 @ 3:09am 
I love the music, especially the loop it has in the intro.... I want the soundtrack lol
Reignswolf Dec 13, 2014 @ 3:44am 
Originally posted by Nadlug:
Originally posted by Crosszeria:
Am I the only one who just thinks the theme music for this game is terrible?
Yes, you are.
Originally posted by Crosszeria:
That is what I'm listening to. It's relaxing, and makes it much more... atmospheric.

Kenshi's atmosphere is not ment to be relaxing, its a bleak world of hardships death and freakish wildlife.

I think you missed the point of the title theme completely.

The examples of music you have posted are far too happy and bombastic to be actually atmosphereic. Everyones a critic but from my perspective you have no clue what atmospheric music is.

Atmospheric music is music that fits the area its being played in. Ill give a couple examples from Super metorid one of the most atmospheric games ive ever played.

I made it quite clear that I can see how "some, even most, might like it," but that doesn't mean that 'I' see it as a bleak, wastelands full of death and hardships. I see it as an open-world sandbox adventure game. I probbaly view it most positively than most, but that's how I enjoy games. DayZ (mod) is meant to be a game full of death, and stressful situations - I was always a hero, seeing it as an opportunity to help people learn about the game.

I think atmosphere highly depends on the person playing the game, and when I say, "am I the only person who thinks the music is terrible," doesn't mean you get to act silly and say Yes, yes you are... Because I'm obviously not.

I didn't miss the theme of the game at all, otherwise I wouldn't have called it a miserable wasteland... as that's what it is, and is portrayed to be. However, it's obvious what it is by playing and seeing the game environment, but to add the theme it has, I see it as dull and doesn't add to the ambience of the game but deters from the possibilities. Everyone's welcome to their own opinion, and as I said previously.... most will like the theme. But that doesn't mean when someone doesn't agree that they're wrong.

This post is about what people feel about the theme, and their opinion about it, as I posted mine. I was interested to hear what others have to say.

Try to be open-minded please.
Last edited by Reignswolf; Dec 13, 2014 @ 3:46am
Reignswolf Dec 13, 2014 @ 3:49am 
Originally posted by KWMatsu Crunch:
One person's atmosphere is another person's cloud of toxic gas.

I agree with this. Everyone is different.
Reignswolf Dec 13, 2014 @ 3:57am 
Originally posted by Fr'VeFISHY 물고기:
This.This is gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjYK5k40iHQ


Try to think about a city under siege.A gigantic army of a newly formed crusader/holy warrior army march.Or Warhammer 40k,both work.


this music is free to use btw dev.

I don't see anything wrong with this either. Doesn't suit Kenshi though for me. But then people don't think my theme suits Kenshi either, but it works great for me... Another example of how people are completely different. Sounds good, not crazy about the lyrics though.
Vindar Dec 13, 2014 @ 7:02am 
Honestly i think Kenshi has some of the best theme music i have ever heard for a video game.

Kenshi's theme is dark, very emotional and extreamly subtle.

If you dont think its any good the first thing that comes to my mind is wether or not your speakers are up set to a high enough quality in config. for mine i actually can hear the difference between the basic settings and the studio quality settings when it comes to kenshi's theme.

In fact i went back to double check and setting it at at least 24 bit, 960000 hz is when i could hear some of the more subtle emotions of the piece(and kenshi's music in general). any less and it seems to get drowned out.

audio quality makes all the world when talking about softer classical style music. Also classical style music generally needs to be played loud to hear the more subtle cues.

I should also point out that the theme music doesnt really kick off until about three minutes in, at that point it becomes quite haunting and is a perfect landscape for the loss and hopelessness that the game trys to impart on the player, of being a very small part in a much bigger story so to speak.

Kenshi's Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvaWBVS59XY

Also you should have some background on the music system to fully understand why it does what it does. I found the following video helpful to understand kenshi's music

Kenshi's music explained:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPEJRJWHz4k

I understand its not a traditional music systems, and that it doesnt have a grandious theme music, but personally i dont think a grand style fits with the kenshi atmosphere, or how small and insignificant your supposed to be within the game.


P.S.
Went back and read some of the other posts, the manner in which people view a peice of art is different for each person, as is their interpretation. what emotions is invoked is dependent upon perspective. it's fine for people to have different perspectives and opinions. of course one should always take some time to try and understand the perspective of the artist as well.
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Reignswolf Dec 13, 2014 @ 7:10am 
Originally posted by Vindar:
I should also point out that the theme music doesnt really kick off until about three minutes in, at that point it becomes quite haunting and is a perfect landscape for the loss and hopelessness that the game trys to impart on the player, of being a very small part in a much bigger story so to speak.

Kenshi's Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvaWBVS59XY

I understand its not a traditional music systems, and that it doesnt have a grandious theme music, but personally i dont think a grand style fits with the kenshi atmosphere, or how small and insignificant your supposed to be within the game.

I'm happy you pointed out that about 3 minutes in it gets more "haunting," I actually really liked it from 3-4 minutes. But before that... There's just something about it that I don't like. It's perhaps the wind sound that's constantly happening. Just something... Can't put my finger on it.

But if it was the style at 3-4 minutes all the way through, I'd definitely enjoy it more. At least there's one thing I can now say I like about Kenshi's music - the more instrumental half.
Nadlug Dec 13, 2014 @ 7:12am 
Originally posted by Crosszeria:
I think atmosphere highly depends on the person playing the game, and when I say, "am I the only person who thinks the music is terrible," doesn't mean you get to act silly and say Yes, yes you are... Because I'm obviously not.

Your thinking of musical Mood, not atmosphere

Originally posted by Crosszeria:
I didn't miss the theme of the game at all...

Again I have to disagree with you, when you say you replace the opening music with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ezAKcylmcs
and claim it to be more atmospheric when combined with kenshi's theme, im sorry but no its completely jarring and out of place.
Its certanly your right to listen to whatever you want whenever you want just dont go calling it atmospheric when mixed with a setting in which it clearly isnt.

Originally posted by Crosszeria:

I'm happy you pointed out that about 3 minutes in it gets more "haunting," I actually really liked it from 3-4 minutes.

Wait so you cast judgement on the main theme without even listening to the full track?

Last edited by Nadlug; Dec 13, 2014 @ 7:30am
Vindar Dec 13, 2014 @ 7:18am 
Originally posted by Crosszeria:
Originally posted by Vindar:
I should also point out that the theme music doesnt really kick off until about three minutes in, at that point it becomes quite haunting and is a perfect landscape for the loss and hopelessness that the game trys to impart on the player, of being a very small part in a much bigger story so to speak.

Kenshi's Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvaWBVS59XY

I understand its not a traditional music systems, and that it doesnt have a grandious theme music, but personally i dont think a grand style fits with the kenshi atmosphere, or how small and insignificant your supposed to be within the game.

I'm happy you pointed out that about 3 minutes in it gets more "haunting," I actually really liked it from 3-4 minutes. But before that... There's just something about it that I don't like. It's perhaps the wind sound that's constantly happening. Just something... Can't put my finger on it.

But if it was the style at 3-4 minutes all the way through, I'd definitely enjoy it more. At least there's one thing I can now say I like about Kenshi's music - the more instrumental half.


Aye the music is slow to start and takes a long time to get going, but than again after playing the game, so does the player.

personally i viewed the peice as being representative of the players journey, starting off slow and slowly building to it's emotional peak. from 3 minutes on being an ode to the player/clans end/death within the harsh world that is kenshi.
Reignswolf Dec 13, 2014 @ 7:28am 
Originally posted by Nadlug:
Originally posted by Crosszeria:
I think atmosphere highly depends on the person playing the game, and when I say, "am I the only person who thinks the music is terrible," doesn't mean you get to act silly and say Yes, yes you are... Because I'm obviously not.

Your thinking of musical Mood, not atmosphere

Originally posted by Crosszeria:
I didn't miss the theme of the game at all...

Again I have to disagree with you, when you say you replace the opening music with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ezAKcylmcs
and claim it to be more atmospheric when combined with kenshi's theme, im sorry but no its completely jarring and out of place.
Its certanly your right to listen to whatever you want whenever you want just dont go calling it atmospheric when mixed with a setting in which it clearly isnt.

As I told you before. Just because a game creates a certain atmosphere for the player, doesn't mean that the player is motivated by that specific atmoshphere. I don't know how someone wouldn't understand the atmosphere of Kenshi from square one.

The reason why I say it makes it more atmospheric for me is because it makes it feel more motivating to push forward, and view it differently as to motivate me specifically. The game's already dark and gloomy, the music pushed it over the edge for me, so I had to make the atmopshere more suitable for my playstyle. The current music makes it feel like a drag - and as you want me to say otherwise you'll keep saying I somehow don't get it - it's supposed to feel a drag because you're a hopeless wanderer going through the desert wastelands... :)
Nadlug Dec 13, 2014 @ 7:42am 
I guess my views on atmosphere are more stritct and traditional than yours then. I grew up with the metroid franchise which barring a few pieces (which are non the less excelent musical peices otherwise) is amazingly well themed.

Halo:CE was another game of my youth that didnt have quite as much atmospheric music but it made up for it with more actiony orientated battle music which in its own right is atmospheric given the proper setting. Most of the Library music was very atmospheric and the hidden track from Myth while looking down on the snowy controll room valley was also an excellent combination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hTgvNsqb9Y&list=PL22E77E5B7FB31F96&index=4

Its just too bad that track was so short they could of done alot with it. But I suppose thats part of the magic of art. If it doesnt leave you wanting for more, was it really that good to begin with?

Makes me wish I could learn how to play the piano.
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