Best heavy armor?

[|Nick]

Which heavy armor is the best? I'm currently using dustcoat, turtlenek drifter boots and stuff like that for my adventurers, but at a shop they sell 3 samurai armor peaces of specialist quality, so I'm considering buying it.
2 man squad.

[Stanley]

depends what you are doing and what weapons you are using

every piece has certain debuffs that you got to live with

people say samurai armor is the best because its only major debuff is the -8 to melee attack and no dex debuff

[Bragdras]

If you want to free usage of any weapons, samurai heavy armor is best due to not having dex reduction, if you want big boi strength weapons like Fragment Axe that just doesn't need dex, grab yourself a masterwork crab set + blackened chainmail, chop some arms off and slap some KLR series arms for bonus str, and destroy the world.

[Stanley]

Originally posted by Bragdras:

If you want to free usage of any weapons, samurai heavy armor is best due to not having dex reduction, if you want big boi strength weapons like Fragment Axe that just doesn't need dex, grab yourself a masterwork crab set + blackened chainmail, chop some arms off and slap some KLR series arms for bonus str, and destroy the world.

But still you need dex for that sweet percentage of att/block speed

[Erei]

Samurai armor if you don't have trash attack/defense skill. Do note that one piece (boots I think) lose it's penalty in attack speed when masterwork (but not below).

Also, don't use heavy shirt (the chainmail). The bonuses are minor and the penalty is massive (way higher than on many armor).


The biggest reason for samurai is simple, you don't have a dex penalty. Des is used for 2 things : attack speed on cut weapons, and block speed on EVERY weapons. As you can imagine, being slow to block can be a real issue. Especially if you use heavy weapons.

Originally posted by Bragdras:

if you want big boi strength weapons like Fragment Axe that just doesn't need dex

See above :) Dex is used to block with every weapons (not only cut). Not having dex on fragment axe user is going to get him killed if he can't get the first blow.
Source, I learned the hard way a long time ago.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Samurai armor doesn't have a DEX penalty, but it DOES have a HUGE attack speed penalty. Most Heavy armor does have some kind of combat speed reduction though.

Note that Attack Speed caps at 1.20x, so if you hit 1.20x your options open up.

For best effect, I actually think you shouldn't use Meitou or Edgewalker weapons with heavy armor. Catun/MK has higher DPS because you can keep your attack speed quite high.

This, of course, varies with weapons. katana, polearms and other light weapons don't post huge gains compared to heavier weapons.

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by Nick:

Which heavy armor is the best? I'm currently using dustcoat, turtlenek drifter boots and stuff like that for my adventurers, but at a shop they sell 3 samurai armor peaces of specialist quality, so I'm considering buying it.
2 man squad.

Samurai Armor, Samurai Plate Pants, Plated Boots, Leather Turtleneck or Chainmail if you have the stats for it, Masked Helmet for versatility, Police/Tin Can/Samurai if you have the stats.

BUT, there are arguments for all sorts of combos involving the above as well as Unholy IF the character in question has the stats or the needs for certain armor. The above is a generic "Heavy Armor" setup.

The Dustcoat/Turtleneck/Drifters is a good combo for light armor. A White Plate jacket is a good choice to slide in there if you want a bit more protection, but you'll likely want to add a decent helmet. Also, Samurai Cloth Pants are a must for light armor users, though some prefer Sneaky Drifter's pants. I prefer the Samurai Cloth for the extra stomach coverage.

Buy what best suits the characters stats and their intended role. With a two character setup, you should be going for one of them being a true DPS tank, likely with a Polearm or Hacker class weapon and the other ranged DPS wtih crossbow and Katana or, possibly, a Short Cleaver.

[rompier02]

Hi. For me Samurai Armor/ Leg Plates/ Plated Boots & Fog Mask. All Masterwork Grade. No loss for dexterity via Samurai Armors. Dexterity important for Blocking speed. Undershirt I use Leather Turtle Neck. Great arm coverage.

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by rompier02:

Hi. For me Samurai Armor/ Leg Plates/ Plated Boots & Fog Mask. All Masterwork Grade. No loss for dexterity via Samurai Armors. Dexterity important for Blocking speed. Undershirt I use Leather Turtle Neck. Great arm coverage.

Pretty much the same for me, except I used the Masked Helmet and keep Fog Masks in their backpacks for bad weather. For me, Coverage is the most important and the lack of a Dex penalty for Samurai is very nice.

IF I had "end game" stats, I might think about having a Taunt Tank in Unholy with Chain and a heavier helmet. "IF" that is... I wouldn't make it a general change, though.

[rompier02]

Keep a Masterwork Dustcoat & Armored Hood for those beams. These 2 will give 105% anti Burning protection & maximum acid protection too. Though they are not Heavy Armor category. Light & Medium I think. Fog Mask got the highest Harpoon Resist at MG. Better than Samurai Helmet Harpoon Resist. Don't know why.

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by rompier02:

Keep a Masterwork Dustcoat & Armored Hood for those beams. These 2 will give 105% anti Burning protection & maximum acid protection too. Though they are not Heavy Armor category. Light & Medium I think. Fog Mask got the highest Harpoon Resist at MG. Better than Samurai Helmet Harpoon Resist. Don't know why.

True on the Dustcoat and good call on the Armored Hood, but I don't stroll through Venge much, yet. (My Scraphouse Runner wears a Dustcoat and Iron Hat.)

The downside to the Fog Mask Harpoon Resist is that Fog Mask isn't 100% coverage... That means the possibility of getting one-shotted if one is in a situation where one is stacking for Harpoon Resistance, like a Town assault. Double-plus ungood. :)

Yeah, I don't know why either. The top and sides of the head is exposed, the neck is exposed, the back of the head is exposed... I guess it's the filters in front?