Flotsam

[rubyismycat]

i discovered for the first time flotsam village today. Moll the leader of the flotsan ninjas came over and introduced herself by asking me for one good reason why she shouldnt kill me i told her the truth attacking me would be suicide next thing you know shes dead all her ninjas are dead and ive looted everything and left i get back to my base to discover she was an enemy of the Holy Nation and a potential ally. Perhaps the devs could please make her less obnoxiously psychotic please in real life threatening to kill someone is a very serious offense and in the world of Kenshi i would expect it to result in a fight to the death perhaps her threats to kill could be toned down a bit so she doesnt get slaughtered by other players that respond honestly to her impotent threats

[Pyrrhus]

It'd be easier to avoid talking to Moll until you're ready to join Flotsam Ninjas and being enemy of HN which I did. When I wiped out Okran's Shield after allying with FN, HN sent their assault force then FN sent their reinforcement force to my base, including Moll among with 6 guys. FN's reinforcement went straight to my base in Gut from their village which they arrived early, HN's assualt force went crazy 8 from Okran's Shield moving toward nearby Stoat, Heng, then disappeared at South Stone Camp then reappeared at Waystation east of Black Desert City or west of Eyesocket, finally moved toward to my base with around 23 men ending up being wiped out by the beak things. Moll and his guys didn't leave my base back to their village afterward, even I opened the gates for them. I assumed they would leave after Lord Phoenix and 2 high inquisitors are captured or killed with possibly wiping out entire HN to end the war.

[johntarmac]

She didn't threaten to kill you, she asked if you had a good reason to be there with some bravado thrown in. You then gave the aggressive response and she reacted to it.
You could have given one of the passive answers just to keep them as someone else to trade with.

In all honesty I regretted becoming allies because I had to babysit her to and from her camp everytime there was a HN raid because the FN are just too squishy.

[yippeekiay]

Originally posted by johntarmac:

She didn't threaten to kill you, she asked if you had a good reason to be there with some bravado thrown in. You then gave the aggressive response and she reacted to it.
You could have given one of the passive answers just to keep them as someone else to trade with.

Meh....ambiguous to say the least. You could say the opposite is true of Moll & OP, she was aggresive, he gave a little bravado & was attacked for it. Moll could have then acted passively saying something like she liked his fighting spirit like I believe someone else does in game.

Originally posted by johntarmac:

In all honesty I regretted becoming allies because I had to babysit her to and from her camp everytime there was a HN raid because the FN are just too squishy.

I can totally relate to this...Moll died/got lost one time returning home or coming to help. I had to babysit her many many times but I noticed later that she never came on a few HN raids and was never to be seen again :o(

[Kurteous]

The entirety of the Flotsam Ninjas are focused glass cannons. Kind of makes you wonder how they have high attack stats but abysmal defenses. Did they not believe in blocking or what?

[CidDaBird]

Originally posted by rubyismycat:

i discovered for the first time flotsam village today. Moll the leader of the flotsan ninjas came over and introduced herself by asking me for one good reason why she shouldnt kill me i told her the truth attacking me would be suicide next thing you know shes dead all her ninjas are dead and ive looted everything and left i get back to my base to discover she was an enemy of the Holy Nation and a potential ally. Perhaps the devs could please make her less obnoxiously psychotic please in real life threatening to kill someone is a very serious offense and in the world of Kenshi i would expect it to result in a fight to the death perhaps her threats to kill could be toned down a bit so she doesnt get slaughtered by other players that respond honestly to her impotent threats

I take the world of Kenshi like the world of the first game of Borderlands. People go crazy without a set morals or rules on unknown places. I take it like that but there should be other factions that want to have these things to make it a bit different then other games.

[rubyismycat]

im confused i was certain her exact words were give me one good reason why i shouldnt kill you say that to me in real life and i will beat you to within an inch of your life in a world where people carry weapons its a fantastically stupid thing to say anyway and to Johntarmac i had never even heared of them before i literally just walked up to there base on my way out of the fog lands

[rubyismycat]

oh i just want to add if shes going to behave like that the devs need to make her a lot lot tougher and give her more ninjas so at least shes a challenge to deal with

[johntarmac]

As I recall the responses are basically

I'm just passing by..... you get to leave.

I'm a trader here to trade..... you get to trade.

You suicidal?..... You get to fight.

I can't see how the choices are difficult to decipher.

Originally posted by Kurteous:

The entirety of the Flotsam Ninjas are focused glass cannons. Kind of makes you wonder how they have high attack stats but abysmal defenses. Did they not believe in blocking or what?

Probably because all they ever do is fight scrawny cannibals and raptors.

[rubyismycat]

i didnt say it was hard im saying its STUPID

[Vermillion Cardinal]

As far as I'm concerned it's not her fault that the devs didn't decide to turn the whole encampment into Bugmasters for a player party that could've finished the rest of the map before even meeting her in a relatively unimportant mid-range region. She's also supposed to be the leader of a ragtag group, so adding a veritable well-armed army just to satisfy a need for challenge would be ridiculous. Scaling to the player would only go so far until you get the equally ridiculous situation of a supposedly desperate group somehow bearing masterwork gear.

Consider that under normal circumstances, you could be just fresh out of Rebirth, which would certainly justify her position and tone. You just dropped into a supposedly secret encampment, people are on edge, and you are probably a mere couple of people at most wearing rags.

If you want it differently it's up to the devs if they have the time or inclination to add conditions that will let her recognize your team's current strength (which is also needed for most things, really). Until then, maybe don't take the words of a game NPC so personally and go kill off a whole camp because of it (roleplaying is one thing, but you don't sound like it with your OP).

[cdplayer906]

most people seem to be missing the point, that dialogue option with no introduction from moll or anything sucks. to OP you're correct, it's nearly verbatim "give me a good reason not to kill you". even if you're not just trying to be honest based on your overwhelming superiority in combat with that dialogue choice, it still leaves it very wanting in regards to roleplaying aspects considering like you said they are the main ally against the HN. what role would you be playing w/ army in toe where you'd accept being spoken to like that, especially in the world of kenshi? combat superiority or not?

[Demonbox]

Originally posted by rubyismycat:

i didnt say it was hard im saying its STUPID

So imagine you are at your place doing your things and a team of dudes enters it.
What do you do and say to them?
And if they react telling you "ehi bro come at me!" what's going to happen?

Good for you you were strong enough to kill them, else you'd be wiped and you would probably complain about being wiped.

The point is, they didn't attack you on sight, not even when you entered their barracks, did you really believe they were an hostile faction?

[rubyismycat]

OK LETS CLEAR UP SOME FANTASY
1 i was walking past their village i did not enter
2 Moll ran up to me demanding one good reason why she shouldnt kill me
3 i told her truthfully because im roleplaying as a monk that would be suicide
4 SHE ATTACKED ME not the other way round
5 i killed her all of her crew and looted everything from her base
6 i was not injured in any way
7i am not pissy that i got attacked
8 i am irritated that a FACTION LEADER could be such a MORON end of the end got it?good.

[Demonbox]

Originally posted by rubyismycat:

OK LETS CLEAR UP SOME FANTASY
1 i was walking past their village i did not enter
2 Moll ran up to me demanding one good reason why she shouldnt kill me
3 i told her truthfully because im roleplaying as a monk that would be suicide
4 SHE ATTACKED ME not the other way round
5 i killed her all of her crew and looted everything from her base
6 i was not injured in any way
7i am not pissy that i got attacked
8 i am irritated that a FACTION LEADER could be such a MORON end of the end got it?good.

There's no reason to make the faction stronger, because:

• It isn't a strong faction, it's a ragtag of refugees and ex-slaves
  
• Is not meant to be met in mid-late game, but it's actually the first faction you meet with one of the game starts (besides the HN)

Still, it was YOUR choice that lead to the confrontation.

About the faction leader being an a**, yeh she kinda is, like 99% of the faction leaders in Kenshi, still she's not hostile by default, and you get 2 out of 3 options not to fight.

Since you speak of Roleplaying it, what's the issue in having anyhilitaed them? I mean if your characters didn't want to, they could have avoided slaughtering a team of female fighters in cloth armor.

What's the reason for her being so aggressive? They are ex-slaves, running and hiding from the (way stronger) HN, should the leader of such faction kneel and welcome EVERY stranger that passes by?

The point is don't ask the devs to "fix" their game so the onnly way you play it feels like you are roleplaying, fix the way you play, or don't (it's really your call) but don't complain.

[rubyismycat]

My point demonbox is that the dialogue is wildly inappropriate and makes Moll a character who could be someone you could actually like come across as just another bandit leader thug and that IN MY FRIGGING OPINION is a waste of a potentially good character THAT is what i would like the devs to fix but no doubt Demonbox you will now have another snipe at me just because you want to.......YAWN