Why can't we make the Holy Breastplate?

[Grimmrog_SIG]

Ok. we got a unholy counterpart.
But the thing is, the armor shops in the HN sell them, so why would we not be able to craft one? it makes not much sense that it is a faction based item if they sell it to every random derp coming across in their stores.
All this does is preventing the Player from getting high end grade versions of the Holy Breastplate. which i really don't understand. Restricting this only would make sense if th HN armorers wouldn't sell it.

[Grimmrog_SIG]

Originally posted by Xero:

Originally posted by Grimmrog_SIG:

but when you buy the holy breatsoplate form the vendor you DO NOT get the faction versions but you get the white one. What you don't get is the the flame symbol on it. So we should be able to craft that one too and not only the black one. I am not asking for the differently colored ones various Paladin ranks wear.

The holy chestplate you get from stores is the SAME as what you find on their soldiers. If you go into the FCS and give your faction a color, it would cause the flame symbols to appear on the ones you buy from the store.

it's not about the FCS, it's about ingame logic the one we can get may techniclly be the same but it dopes for us as a player not. contain their insignia. So its by game logic not the same armor. It's just a white version of the holy breatsplate thats non faction laballed. While the unholy one is a blakc variant.

[RawCode]

ingame logic and lore have issues with "holy armor".
holy armor should be unconditional faction uniform, always.

shops should not sell it to you, as you are not member of faction.
(as long as you not having proper holy nation disguise)
but shops should have both armor and blueprint in stock (stealing and raiding should be possible)

because they do sell it to members of faction and members of faction can craft it for personal use.

ever if you craft it self, it's faction uniform and NPC should aggro on you for this.

this will "complete" logic and unholy version will make sense.

currently holy armor is just armor without any lore and logic attached, this makes lack of blueprint disruptive.

[Grimmrog_SIG]

Originally posted by RawCode:

ingame logic and lore have issues with "holy armor".
holy armor should be unconditional faction uniform, always.

shops should not sell it to you, as you are not member of faction.
(as long as you not having proper holy nation disguise)
but shops should have both armor and blueprint in stock (stealing and raiding should be possible)

because they do sell it to members of faction and members of faction can craft it for personal use.

ever if you craft it self, it's faction uniform and NPC should aggro on you for this.

this will "complete" logic and unholy version will make sense.

currently holy armor is just armor without any lore and logic attached, this makes lack of blueprint disruptive.

Dunno, is it lorewise like that that averyone in the Holy Nation can just craft his own holy berastplates? I would say the Troops are chosen by the military which provides them. or is the Hn havign some Paladin/knight status to members and they gonna have to get their own?
Lorewise we don't really know how the Structure of paladins and the HN's troops works.

I just think the Holy Breastplate being sold and not available as a blueprint is a weird nonsense mix in th Lore. All it causes gameplay wise is restricting the player the ability to obrain a white version if you would play a pro HN gameplay.

The game definately needs some factin standing checks for these things. because if you are not hostile towards the HN they call you bretheren and recognise you as one of them. So it makes sesne for a positively aligned player faction to be treated as part of their faction (even more so when allied with them)

[RawCode]

schematic stuff is illogical, as normally books and blueprints are not destroyed when you read them.
they are not magical scrolls after all.

if blacksmith have holy plate for sale, he must have schematic in stock, as it required to craft armor in first place.

he may reject to sell it, still, you should have option to take it by force (or steal it)

[Grimmrog_SIG]

Originally posted by RawCode:

schematic stuff is illogical, as normally books and blueprints are not destroyed when you read them.
they are not magical scrolls after all.

if blacksmith have holy plate for sale, he must have schematic in stock, as it required to craft armor in first place.

he may reject to sell it, still, you should have option to take it by force (or steal it)

you don't know who makes them, and maybe the blueprint is needed as he still needs its regulary to look at that stuff for reference, so thats not a reason to give it away.

Just ebcause I took my bike apart and together again doesn't makes me wanna give the manual away, because nto everythign about the circuits is fully in my head

[BlitzBob NoPants]

If you want to talk logic, then just read the description on the unholy breastplate blueprint. It literally states that they copied the holy nation armor, but because they didn't want to be associated with the faction they blackened it in the forge. So logically, if you can make unholy breastplates, you should be able to make holy breastplates. The secret of crafting the armor is already out and not exclusive to the Holy Nation anymore. All you'd have to do is not blacken them in the forge...

[Vermillion Cardinal]

I wouldn't mind having availability of the blueprint being tied to faction standing so that once you are allied with the HN you can request one as a boon. If you're going to proudly wear their exact colors you'd probably be pro-HN in the first place.

In fact, if the UC and Shek (or any noteworthy minor faction, really) have special colors/looks for their own faction gear (whether right now or if not, possibly in the future), extend the same system to them. Then not only will you have an ally and the usual perks, you get to be visually identified with them as well.

It could go with another system, for example, where you get to make and wear UC Conscript pattern armor at relations 50, then full UC Samurai pattern at 75+ to visually reflect your standing in their eyes. If you ever lose standing with them below the thresholds then you'd be considered unworthy and treated as if you were impersonating them by wearing stolen faction gear.

[RawCode]

only holy nation have insigia on armor, everyone else just "handwave" faction unifrom flag.

especially noticable on armor parts like boots and helmet, that have no markings at all, still count as faction uniform.

[Joshuasca]

I play a holy nation paladin, and how I handle it RPG wise is like this. I buy the highest quality I can find, and whenever I find a dead unit of the appropriate rank (like at Okrans Shield or Narko's Trap they tend to die if you hangout for a while) I reverse steal the gear onto the deadguy then give it to my recruit. Currently have 3 High Paladins, 2 Paladins, and 5 sentinels. I don't let them wear rank unless they can match stats with that unit.