Bulls inferior compared to garru

[RawCode]

well, i perfectly aware about progress and things, but...bulls are very inferior compared to garru and there are completely no reasons to use bulls at all.

[rat bastard]

I've never seen any difference between them.

[Michael]

In the late game, pack animals are mostly pets. You dont really need Garru either.

[Red Bat]

Later on animals as a whole aren't too great in battle. Bonedogs have a very high attack rate that make them very useful in some instances though. I'd say later on you just use animals to carry backpacks, so it's not a big deal if one is better than the other.

[rat bastard]

I think the value of animals as an attack force is in the charge some of them are able to perfom like garru and bull, it does AoE damage but most important it staggers the enemy, as shock troops i see them working wonders, send them as frontline, let them perform the charge and then retreat to let your heavy duty personel finish the job.

[Erei]

Originally posted by Pidgeotto:

Later on animals as a whole aren't too great in battle. Bonedogs have a very high attack rate that make them very useful in some instances though. I'd say later on you just use animals to carry backpacks, so it's not a big deal if one is better than the other.

Technically, Garru are better than Bull, even as a pack animal only. They are faster.

[Grimmrog_SIG]

bulls should get a lot more hp than garrus, garrus look kinda less compact and armored than the boneplated bulls.

[Erei]

I haven't checked, but I think Garru have less combat abilities. But I don't think it's important. You use bull/garru to carry stuff around. Which mean you'll make them stay out of the fight. If you want to use animal for combat, then you should use the dogs. In any case, the biggest issue with animal is their inability to block. But that's another debate entirely.

[RawCode]

garru 2x faster and stack 6 (bulls 5)

never use them for combat, only to haul loot (i tend to pickup everything and use 2 garru and 10 men party)

[davetlow]

Here's this bull:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1477217761

So far I've had both, I found them both good in combat but I think the Bull way better and would like to know what experience other people have. This bull has minimal experience, having only crushed 20 packs of bandits or something and only trained one round at the prison, where he amputated a leg off of a bandit. Fine so the bandit should have had better armor. In my experience, with the help of some ninja with 38 martial arts skill this bull can kill 3 beak things and 2 gorrillas. Alright, so fine, the last beak thing sort of won, so he would have been eaten, at least a little before he got up due to their fast regeneration.

So far bulls are 100% would do again, get one first thing and worrying about bandits will quickly become a thing of the past. I do reccomend using your characters and then just use the bull to bail you out. Obviously the main purpose of this bull was to carry AI cores, and I know the Garru would be better at that or something, but he still carries plenty, lol.

I never had a garru this long so I was wondering if a mature pet garru is like this.

In related news I'm moving to Vain to train on beak things rather than prisoners.

[kaiyl_kariashi]

bulls deal more damage, garu have a wider attack radius.

Bulls are good if you want a half-way between a Bonedog and a Garu in terms of damage but can also carry stuff.

Where as Garu are good if you just want something to disrupt a large amount of enemies to support your forces.

Garu also have a lantern, so you can park them on top of workers who don't have lantern to offset some of the working at night penalties while travelling and don't wanna have to deal with the headache of setting up torch posts whereever you stop.

on the other hand...they have a lantern, so if you're trying to sneak through an area, a bull would be better.

[jbra1]

Bulls look better.

[Erei]

Garru are faster. That's all that matter for me since they are poor fighters to begin with. Animals can't block, as such they quickly become a liability (area of effect only check for the initial hit, if it's not blocked, then none of it can be blocked).

Garru and bull are made to carry stuff. If you want to fight, use people or a bonedog if you really want a fighter animal.

[davetlow]

So the bull is not inferior to the Garru. But, I knew that, I bought them to go to Ancient Tech labs and clean the place out. By the end they probably could have snuck all the way in to treasury, lol, but I never actually too them in there, except a couple times by accident. BUT, the Garru would probably also be sufficient at protecting newbs from dust and starving bandits and similar.

I mean I had all 4, I never took them around to kill stuff, it just so happened I was thinking of moving to the Vain because it looks nice, so the bull and the guy it follows around got in a prolonged fight with the wildlife, lol. That also explains the bulls success. As the dude was attacking the critters, he has masterwork armor, even if it weird ashland ninja light armor, afterall and can take some hits, so the beak thing nibbling on him whilst the bull does its thing.

So, would reccomend a bull for a ninja.

I always thought the bonedog and goat were pretty good too. They can block? I did make a game with one of each character type and animal, but somehow my party duped itself and then I was no longer able to save, so I decided I'd have less errors if I just used 2 guys. Now I think I'd really like more at day 286 or whatever, lol.

Moving water to a town farm would be 20% faster with a garru. Some trade goods, so, yeah, the Garru seems better, if you want a light and it's not for a ninja. But if it's for a ninja go with the Bull.

I always thought of the attack animals as more for flavor, it was hard for me to think they would be as tough as a dude. But wiping beaking things and Gorrillos was also surprising for my little team. So, this thread is really developed pretty good describing what animal to buy.

[Erei]

No animals can block. Neither can they dodge. It makes them useless by mid-late game because of that, since they are usually focus by the enemy (low armor, no block), and you take full are of effect for every strike, even on your super character with 100block. And that's a major annoyance, especially if you fight heavy hitters.

Animals are useful early on, for low "level" bandit and stuff, since they can attack them fairly often for a good amount of damage, usually stunlocking them. But when your own character are good enough to fight those threats, they are a liability for harder content, as they put the entire team at risk for simply being there.

I use the bulls/garru only for carrying goods, which is what they are best for. And garru is superior to bull in that regard (lantern + faster).

[Locklave]

Bulls are far slower and really don't have better damage or stats despite what people are saying. People need to stop making up "facts" just because of anicdotal evidence.

Infact if you look at the Wiki Garru has a MUCH HIGHER stat range. Bulls do not have do more damage or have a different reach on attacks. Infact Bulls do less damage because they have lower stats...

17-23 in all stats for base Bull.

27-33 in all stats for base Garru

The worse Garru is better then the best Bull.

Bull is simply worse in every way, they just have a different HP layout.

Cut out the anicdotal replies people.