Samurai Helmet

[Xero]

Why does it feel like it's just not that good defensive wise? It just seems to me that it doesn't perform as well as the stats make it seem. Then again, it could just be i'm getting really unlucky with where the hits land and that's why there's 50pts of head damage.

[Lonedog]

I haven't tried em, I usually go with Spiked for the look, rarely get head injuries, but RnG can do anything when it wants to.

[Viral]

isnt just you, samurai helmets may as well be rag hats, i get head injuries almost as frequent.

[Vahagn323]

In terms of stats the Samurai Helmet isn't the best you can find but it's certainly not the worst. At standard grade a Samurai Helmet and a Spiked Helmet are the same stat wise, although I believe the Samurai Helmet is superior in its stun resistance (I've never understood the stun percentage for cut damage so correct me if 40% on the samurai helmet is better or worse than 60% on the Spiekd Helmet) and the fact that it has 100% coverage versus 80% on the Spiked Helmet. The best helmet, flat out, is the Police Helmet since it has .36 blunt and .34 cut resistances at standard grade versus the .24 and .38 of the other helmets I mentioned, and if my assumptions on the lower the stun percentage the better it succeeds there as well.

But in the end there's a lot of RNG that comes into play with how often you get hit in the head. I 1 hit killed the Bugmaster with a single blow to the head, my best character died fighting a leviathan because it punched him in the face even though he was wearing a police helmet, and you can regularly slap people around even if they are wearing heavy armour. The quality of the armor really plays a huge role in how good it will be at actually blocking out damage, so if you're using anyhting other than a Specialist or Masterwork grade armor piece you won't be getting the massive boon their stats could potentially offer.

I haven't tested this fully, but there's certainly an argument for using certain pieces of equipment over others at lower levels and when lower quality is available. For example the high grade fog mask is superior in every way to a specialist swamp mask and only slightly worse to a masterwork swamp mask. I also forgot to mention the stat penalties from the Samurai helmet (-3) might hamper your characters ability to block effectively, so if you're using an offensive focused weapon that negates your defense skill you'll be blocking that much less and thus get hit more often. If it has a mallus effect from being indoors that factor is magnified even more.

In the end, though, you should go with whatever style of armor you want and be as fashionable as possible. You could always mod certain armor pieces to your liking, if so inclined, not to make them OP but to make them into viable alternatives from the standard end-game build of "Samurai armor, samurai legplates, plated longboots, blackened chainmail, police helmet."

[Javiefe10]

-Head - Police Helmet
-Boots - Plated longboots
-Shirt - Blackened Chainmail
Armor - Samurai Armor (well i modified the black plate jacket with samurai armor stats cause i like the way it looks more than the samurai)
Legs- Not pretty sure about this

[Javiefe10]

Originally posted by Benishe323:

I I believe the Samurai Helmet is superior in its stun resistance (I've never understood the stun percentage for cut damage so correct me if 40% on the samurai helmet is better or worse than 60% on the Spiekd Helmet) and the fact that it has 100% coverage versus 80% on the Spiked Helmet. The best helmet, flat out, is the Police Helmet since it has .36 blunt and .34 cut resistances at standard grade versus the .24 and .38 of the other helmets I mentioned, and if my assumptions on the lower the stun percentage the better it succeeds there as well.

Yes the less % cut stun the better. Best if non existant
Im pretty sure it means ''the amount of damage that transform into stun'' or something like that

[Xero]

Originally posted by Javiefe10:

-Head - Police Helmet
-Boots - Plated longboots
-Shirt - Blackened Chainmail
Armor - Samurai Armor (well i modified the black plate jacket with samurai armor stats cause i like the way it looks more than the samurai)
Legs- Not pretty sure about this

But... Muh fashion! It's the only full heavy armor set, so I kinda use the entire set because i'm not a fan of looking like I just grabbed the first thing I saw. I mean, it would be nice if we had more heavy armor sets though.

[Vahagn323]

Originally posted by Javiefe10:

Originally posted by Benishe323:

I I believe the Samurai Helmet is superior in its stun resistance (I've never understood the stun percentage for cut damage so correct me if 40% on the samurai helmet is better or worse than 60% on the Spiekd Helmet) and the fact that it has 100% coverage versus 80% on the Spiked Helmet. The best helmet, flat out, is the Police Helmet since it has .36 blunt and .34 cut resistances at standard grade versus the .24 and .38 of the other helmets I mentioned, and if my assumptions on the lower the stun percentage the better it succeeds there as well.

Yes the less % cut stun the better. Best if non existant
Im pretty sure it means ''the amount of damage that transform into stun'' or something like that

Thanks Javie, I've been unsure about that fact for awhile so it's good to get a confirmation.

I agree Xero, we had a few posts in the last week or 2 about them adding armor sets since they've said they aren't looking at it at all. But if we keep voicing our desires for it in different but relevant forum posts, even adding some opinions on what could be good armor ideas, they might tinker with the thought and put them in.

After all, the weapon overhaul where they added polearms and those like dozens of weapons came out of nowhere even Shidan and Hatsune weren't expecting it. Personally I'd love some legplates to match the Merc Plate and Merc Leather, maybe some medium armor variants of the Drifters pants where they have some leather kneepads and a bit of extra protection. It would help soothe the fashionista in all of us.

[Erei]

I don't think the game need more sets. We have a lot of different armor. They aren't used because they are not good.
Hopefully, later on they'll be balanced, and you will not have the "best" armors, which is either one with the plate/samurai clothpant, or one with the samurai torso/legs.

[Xero]

Originally posted by Erei:

We have a lot of different armor.

There's only one set of heavy leggings iirc. So if you want heavy armor, you're going with samurai legplates.

[Papasaurus Rex]

Originally posted by Erei:

I don't think the game need more sets. We have a lot of different armor. They aren't used because they are not good.
Hopefully, later on they'll be balanced, and you will not have the "best" armors, which is either one with the plate/samurai clothpant, or one with the samurai torso/legs.

Variety is alwyas good and having more options at heavy would be a really good thing.

[Javiefe10]

Originally posted by Erei:

I don't think the game need more sets. We have a lot of different armor. They aren't used because they are not good.
Hopefully, later on they'll be balanced, and you will not have the "best" armors, which is either one with the plate/samurai clothpant, or one with the samurai torso/legs.

There's only a few heavy armor set. Holy Armor set, Merc plate armor and samurai. If people only use heavy armor is because there's no advantage on using light or medium. The have to buff this kind of armor (medium, light) with some combat speed bonus or something

[comphys]

Originally posted by Javiefe10:

Originally posted by Erei:

I don't think the game need more sets. We have a lot of different armor. They aren't used because they are not good.
Hopefully, later on they'll be balanced, and you will not have the "best" armors, which is either one with the plate/samurai clothpant, or one with the samurai torso/legs.

There's only a few heavy armor set. Holy Armor set, Merc plate armor and samurai. If people only use heavy armor is because there's no advantage on using light or medium. The have to buff this kind of armor (medium, light) with some combat speed bonus or something

There's somewhat of a combat speed bonus already (technically it's just a penalty on the heavy armor, but the end result is the same), and heavy armor was already "nerfed" recently. Given that the developers are going for a harsh and realistic experience and all that, I personally wouldn't want light armor to be buffed even more. That expensive full plate armor has to have a payoff anyway.

Also, light armor does have advatages, just not in open battle (in stealth/thievery playthroughs for example). It makes sense that people would choose to wear the more protective armor to a battle, where you're going to get hit at some point.

That said, I'm all in for more variety in armor sets, right now I have too many full samurai armor sets in my army...

[#1 Slime NA]

The downsides for heavy armor should be like they were in the real world: cost. Honestly the fact that good plate and chain armor in Kenshi is more common than good quality weapons is a little silly.

It'd be even better if Kenshi introduced some grappling techniques in armed combat, so that having a high martial arts skill even when fighting with a weapon would be useful; since that's the best way to take out someone who's fully armored, you just get them on the ground and it's very difficult for them to get back up, while you're free to disarm them and then execute them.

[Ryuu Kitsune]

Originally posted by comphys:

That said, I'm all in for more variety in armor sets, right now I have too many full samurai armor sets in my army...

I would be even happy if there was like 2 or 3 different helmets for samurai, like you can just make a different varient of it. That alone be enough to even seperate my squads by having them look different.

Actually if anyone has played dark souls they would know even if armour is not great it can be worn just for the fashion (look) on a character.

[Xero]

Originally posted by Ryuu Kitsune:

Actually if anyone has played dark souls they would know even if armour is not great it can be worn just for the fashion (look) on a character.

Unless you're a Hive Soldier, cause your head is going to get hit all the time.