Kenshi
M00nshine Feb 2, 2017 @ 4:37am
NVidea and onboard Intel graphics
Just want to confirm that my game indeed ran a lot smoother when i followed the dev's advice and set the primary card within the game launcher as my onboard intel graphics but forced my nvidea graphics to run within the nvidea control panel.

Must admit it's a strange one but was definitely better so thanks for the tip otherwise would never have known and the game was quite frustrating prior to doing this.

Cheers.
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Kehldael Feb 2, 2017 @ 5:56am 
Care to explain the thing ? because getting as low as 20 fps in crowded towns is frustrating. Also, I have a lot of loading time (almost 10s of paused loading time every 20 or 30s of running) if I send an expedition far from my home base, leaving people in there to man the machineries, will that improve this issue ?
M00nshine Feb 2, 2017 @ 10:05am 
Hiya.

I am assuming you have NVidea graphics and onboard intel? This is the only combination that i have tested with as this reflects my rig (laptop, Intel HD 4600 with GeForce GTX 870M). Luckily, the combination of onboard intel and nvidea dedicated graphics is specifically what the dev points out as potentially problematic and a solution is suggested.

So firstly you need to tell nvidea control panel you force use your nvidea graphics card when the game starts. It's easily done and i'll talk you through it here:
1.Open nvidea control panel.
2.With "manage 3d settings" selected on the left, on the right choose the "program settings" tab.
3.Click Add, then when the list pops up choose "kenshi_x64.exe". If you don't see that then you will have to browse to the executable manually by clicking, guess what, "browse", and browse to that executable, by default, in folder "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\Kenshi".

Once you've done that, that's forced nvidea to "become" the grpahics card when it detects that the game is run.
The second part is even easier:

Ok so when you launch the game you get the popup right? Where you select your graphics options. Look to the bottom and you see a "?" question mark. If you click on that you can see the dev's explanation.
Simply select your onboard graphics card as your primary card in this launcher, NOT your nvidea card. Counter-intuitative yea?

And that's it, play the game. I had a marked improvement from pain-in-the-arse, to very playable.

Let me know if that helps mate.

Oh on a general note you're going to need to have the nvidea geforce experience program running all the time (typically shown as an icon in your system tray) otherwise the above probably wont work as this program needs to be running in order for it to "listen" for the game to start to enable the rule we constructed in the top half of this ramble.

Cheers.
M00nshine Feb 2, 2017 @ 10:06am 
Oh and i do have ssd hard drive which will help with loading times etc. One of the best things i ever bought....i can only recommend getting one veerrrrry strongly...if you can.
Kehldael Feb 2, 2017 @ 12:20pm 
Well thank you, mate !

I got a GTX 970, on a desktop, so I'm not even sure I have onboard graphic chip. Or maybe my MB has one ?

I'll try it when I have time, thank you again for this detailed walkthrough ^^
M00nshine Feb 2, 2017 @ 12:44pm 
Yes you definitely have onboard graphics on the MB. I'm definitely 90% sure :)

The point being is that you can get a picture on your pc without having to stick an actual card in. Typically people disable it in the BIOS but if you do that in a laptop you get mega issues. At least, i did :). And they're always ♥♥♥♥ with respect to playing games, graphics programs, etc.

You can see if it's enabled by looking in device manager under "display adaptors".

No worries, this is a common problem on EA games as the devs have not had time to work the issue - at least it's a problem on laptops....................!
f03n1x Feb 2, 2017 @ 2:06pm 
Originally posted by Kehlian:
Well thank you, mate !

I got a GTX 970, on a desktop, so I'm not even sure I have onboard graphic chip. Or maybe my MB has one ?

I'll try it when I have time, thank you again for this detailed walkthrough ^^

Motherboards don't have built in graphic cards, onboard is basically CPUs that have built in graphics, majority of Intel CPUs have this and from what I can recall AMD have stopped with integrated graphics.

A GTX 970 is definitely able to play the game well turn down this like terrain detail and range, it gives you bit more frames. (I have the same card)

That aside this game is heavier on the CPU rather than the GPU end so it maybe the case that your CPU is causing the low frames.
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Kehldael Feb 2, 2017 @ 2:17pm 
Oh CPU wise I got an i5 4440, this isn't really what I'd call next gen lol, so this is where my issue is from. Thanks I'll see to buy new hardware soon anyway :)
M00nshine Feb 2, 2017 @ 2:20pm 
Have you tried the "fix" yet though? Worked for me...
f03n1x Feb 2, 2017 @ 2:30pm 
I did a comparison and tbh it isn't that bad.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4690K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4440

That aside getting a new CPU tends to be based on your motherboard.

If you have something like I do ( Asus z97, can't remember which version), you have to basically look at buying a new motherboard due to it only supporting the old chipset. Though what I have is good enough for a couple more years. (I hope lol)

For Kenshi though I turn settings down a bit just because it's not too necessary to load things off in the distance, I also turned off shadows for the time being, it was working okay but tend to drop my frames a lot. Try playing with the settings a bit and see what gives you something playable.

Also an SSD does help for loading.

Other thing you could try is hitting ctrl + shift + f11 a lot lol.
M00nshine Feb 2, 2017 @ 3:13pm 
According to the dev note it's to do with the drivers so maybe different cards, different drivers, meh who knows. Your comparison is for cpu vs cpu - if the chap here hasn't tried the dev suggestion (which made massive difference for me) then he's not ruled that out yet..from which he can then go on to possibly SSD/CPU etc.

I ddid mention SSD but to be honest (and this a bit of a guess) when "loading" between areas i barely get any HDD activity - not enough to suggest that SSD makes a huge difference in this game. I can't back this up with any hard data but you know when you get feel for your rig...? I've other games where ssd has made a huge difference but i see that light on my laptop flashing for dear life. Don't get much here.

Shadows off has been mentioned a few times and at the time of writing definitely OFF :)
f03n1x Feb 2, 2017 @ 3:27pm 
Originally posted by (SRS) M00nshine:
According to the dev note it's to do with the drivers so maybe different cards, different drivers, meh who knows. Your comparison is for cpu vs cpu - if the chap here hasn't tried the dev suggestion (which made massive difference for me) then he's not ruled that out yet..from which he can then go on to possibly SSD/CPU etc.

I ddid mention SSD but to be honest (and this a bit of a guess) when "loading" between areas i barely get any HDD activity - not enough to suggest that SSD makes a huge difference in this game. I can't back this up with any hard data but you know when you get feel for your rig...? I've other games where ssd has made a huge difference but i see that light on my laptop flashing for dear life. Don't get much here.

Shadows off has been mentioned a few times and at the time of writing definitely OFF :)

Well sure this maybe the case and all but honestly I have integrated graphics but have never had to force my GPU to be the main renderer for Kenshi, I think it maybe be more related to laptops. I've had the game for a bit and swapped out GPUs for both AMD and Nvidia.

This link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus

For Nvidia Optimus the software that seems to do the GPU switching, seems to only target laptops and notebooks, it's due to having a change in battery power consumption (well more so to stop your GPU from making your battery last a while 2 seconds when not plugged in lol) so I'm not sure if it really affects desktops. I'm not sure I have this installed, and I have the latest Nvidia drivers so, with that assumption it could just be for laptops.

Also trying those options doesn't hurt, if he did either he would get some sort of result bad or good.

The comparison was more so to tell him he doesn't necessarily need to update his CPU as of now, since it seems like it should be okay to run Kenshi for the time being.

SSD changes the load time by a couple seconds really not that noticeable on a desktop (I recently changed kenshi's install path from one of my HDD's to my main SSD also haven't tested with a laptop with SSD so not sure about a comparison).

I think shadows are turned on by default (can't confirm atm I'm at work lol). Terrain detail being set to 0 or to a low number I think has been suggested by the main dev, though I can't find the original post :(

Though with all this being said with my gtx970 my frames do vary, don't expect 60 fps, I get around 30-50 so it's still okay to play, I'm not too picky unless I get 1 fps lol.
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M00nshine Feb 3, 2017 @ 4:37am 
Informative post, thanks.

Yeah there's definitely a laptop related problem re initiating the GPU in general as i've had to do this before, hence leaping in with my suggestion to Kehlian. Your point about power switching/consumption makes sense.

Shadows are off by default (at least on current version). I might try turning down terrain detail as my GPU does seem to get flogged as the fan whines away at full tilt which is actually very annoying and bugs my ears :). Hoping that with less work it might calm that fan down a bit. Do you reckon it will?
At least with a desktop it's all physically further away from you but a laptop's right there in your face as it were so the fan noise is uber annoying.

I'd still be interested for this chap to give it a go to see ust in case there is some annoying driver issue here. Wouldn't be the first time...

Sounds like you like your testing mate! I gave up all that hardware some time ago as i just found myself hanging on to soooo much cr_ap. Just don't have the room or time any more but it is nice to test properly yourself so thanks for handing over info you have discovered.
Kehldael Feb 3, 2017 @ 9:05am 
Well, unfortunately hasn't changed much for me, I guess I'll have to change hardware anyways, mount & blade 2 is comming out soon (well, I Hope lol)

Thank you guys for taking your time and explain all this to me ^^
Last edited by Kehldael; Feb 3, 2017 @ 9:05am
M00nshine Feb 3, 2017 @ 1:04pm 
Hey no problem hope something was of use. I turned down my terrain detail a lot and that helped even more with no real discernable problem within the game.

So i guess the suggestion is just to turn things down in the graphics options. Just do one at a time and see what helps most. I suggest you start with terrain detail but make sure that shadows are turned off completely.
f03n1x Feb 3, 2017 @ 4:28pm 
Well I'm glad I helped, as for the testing, it really isn't that I tested different GPUs just that I've upgraded in the past lol. I had a 7950 and then swapped over to a 970 nearly a year ago (wow can't believe it's been that long).

For laptops, I tend to only use them for work purposes, since yeah the fan can go crazy trying to get the temperature down, but in terms of noisey fans, my case has 7 of them lol and they normally run on full blast just because.

Software testing for me is second nature these days (software developer), so if I play a game I might sit there changing options left and right to get some sort of fps count that seems to work.
Also I may have to give up my SSD for having Kenshi as an install path :(, just don't have the space, I'm probably going to get a new SSD in the future, but I'm probably going to wait a little bit. I just noticed the loading time is a lot faster for areas lol.
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