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First, the competition eliminated itself. Farsight was just DONE after they lost the Williams license; all they put out after that were the 2 Stern titles and that's it. We were supposed to get more, but there's a lot more that caused Farsight to lose the drive to build digital pinball.
Magic Pixel is still around, but the way things are going, they're not making enough on Zaccaria, hence the slowed updates since 2020. They're currently building tables exclusively on AtGames cabinets.
Pro Pinball? MIA. Lack of updates, plus the failure to compensate for Kickstarter rewards.
Zen is not a cancer to digital pinball; in fact, it is the STERN of digital pinball.
Think about it. Back in 1999, Bally/Williams, the supposed king of pinball, fell to slot machines and lack of interest. Capcom got into pinball in 1994, but left in 1996. Gottlieb, the pioneer, left in 1996. SEGA (now Stern) considered leaving as well. Come 2000, Stern was the only manufacturer keeping the hobby alive. The point here, is Zen needs to innovate, and that includes upgrading to a separate engine. Do you really want the likes of EA to take over the hobby? I certainly don't.
The point of Pinball M? ESRB ratings, that's why. Add in M-rated elements to a T-rated FX, and you're introducing more problems than you'd think from a developer standpoint. They stripped much from the DOOM table in 2016 to fit the E10+ criteria. Pinball M doesn't even have the same designs.
Closer to the real thing than Farsight's. TPA's physics were not perfect -- no ball spin, no room for advanced flipper tricks, and there's the occasional "ball phasing through the flipper" collision issue during multiball. Zen made those improvements from their original set of physics when they received the Williams license.
And it feels like this s*it continues.
Sorry here, Zen, I bought ALL tables on Android, but I won't dive into paying anything here.
Williams mobile was based upon a free-to-play / ad-supported model. It's unlike anything on PC/Console.
Pinball M includes Wrath of the Elder Gods with additional tables sold separately. During gameplay and challenges you earn points to spend on unlockable cosmetics. e.g. custom flippers.
Will be buying the "M" tables day one. Really enjoying the demos.
2 years after Pinball FX released on Steam? I highly doubt it.
It seems to have escaped your notice that there are no tables... zero, which are in both FX and M.
But even if there were, there would be no requirement that you buy the same table in both places.
It would take only a single "M" rated table for FX to lose its kid-friendly ESRB rating. With only FX, that means we simply don't get the option of having tables which may get an "M" rating.
Maybe you don't like horror so you just don't care, but I would love to see tables based on EVIL DEAD or SAW some day, and I'd rather it wasn't watered down to get a kid-friendly rating.
Maybe you're happy playing 20 Star Wars tables that are all basically the same, or 20 Marvel tables, but some of us would like to see some new content that has a bit more variation to it.
It's a simple concept and I'm sure you understand it, so why are you acting like you don't?
there is also 0 reason this couldn't just be DLC in one of their existing games. the need for "M" rating/gore or something seems a bit of a stretch. i think a lot of these properties could be toned down and still be very good. i don't really need suggestive themes or cursing in my pin. plenty of other places for that.
it's tough to wish unwell on them since they got me into virtual pin, but their recent trajectory doesn't align with what i want from pin games. i'm a huge duke nukem fan but i could just never play zen stuff again.
Copy-paste from another thread:
Suppose they were introduced in Pinball FX. What then?
Do you know how DOOM made it to FX2/3? They neutered a LOT out of the table to present it at an E10+ rating. The same will apply under a T-rating.
Make Pinball FX an M-rating, and suddenly you're running into a whole mess of problems. Since Pinball FX would have an updated rating across the entire board, now you have certain licensors the likes of My Little Pony now being M-rated. We're not just talking Hasbro; we're talking every single license in the book, even Williams.
"There is so much more we wanted to do with DOOM, but couldn't because we needed to fit in an E10+ rating at the time. Even with T, we can't do everything we want with DOOM.
M unlocks that.
And yeah, having Chucky next to My Little Pony poses some issues." - Mel Kirk
We also do NOT get the new modes, the Play Corner, or anything else of that sort. Zen loses innovation here, trying out new things. You want a lighting slider? Additional game modes? Custom room/table effects? Gone.
Pinball M bypasses all of this.