Nobody Passes Kitchen Safety and Hygiene

[Zoe☭]

Yup. 32 finished, 0 passed. There's no way this is supposed to be like this. People take the class just fine, but nobody passes. Why is this?

[Jimmy]

Must be a bug , my people can pass kitschen safety and hygene and the workshop class , but none of the can pass the foundation education course

[Emmote]

Supression would be my first bet.

If you've got a lot of armed guards, or you're running with long Solitary times, then your prisoners are going to have 0 concentration, which means they'll never pass any reform program.

[Zoe☭]

Sorry, I'm slightly new to this game. How many Solitary hours is alot? Also, I've only got 2 armed guards.
And if it matters, many prisoners have passed the Workshop class.

[Emmote]

Armed Guards have a "Supression radius" that's uneffected by walls. If your Armed Guards are posted near your kitchens, then they'll be supressed while working there.

It would explain why your Workshop prisoners are passing the courses, if the Armed Guards don't go near the Workshop.

As for Solitary, well, it takes them a while for the supression to wear off, and the longer the solitary time, the longer the supression takes to wear off. I use the stock times, but some people put them in for hours and hours.

Armed Guards are usually the main culprit of reform programs though.

Armed Guards are for 'Punishment' prisons, not 'Reform' prisons.

[Zoe☭]

I just noticed that the way I have patrols set up armed guard go right through the kitchen. Thanks so much for telling me!

[Proteus]

Interesting, tahnks, never guessed that armed guards have any influence on the prisoners concentration (while I myself don´t have too much problems with the prisoners passing courses [usually around 60-75% of them passing most courses] the knowledge will help me ensuring that it stays this way [by not putting any armed patrols near the sensible areas [classrooms, workshops, kitchen])

[MuchMucho]

2 things to say its quite easy suppresion try only to use armed gueards if threat meter is high, and 2nd thing is if there are to many cooks and workers the peps in course might not have a cooker and if they dont have cooker they wont pass so perhaps add cookers, you can check this when they are working cus it will write it in the program saying no cookers.

[dibley1973]

I am also having problems with this. I have done what is described above, I have pulled all of my armed guards to only patrol through the maximum security wing. My medium and low security just have normal guards patrolling the wing. Only normal guard patrols walk in the corridors next to the kitchen.

I have just checked when the course is running and no one is attending; one of the attendees has a 0% attendance record. On the kitchen program 70 have finished, none have passed. Most of the prisoners enlisted on the program have excellent understanding but instead of attending the course they are standing in the yard. I have noticed though that they all but one have a high need for drugs!

Any additional pointers?

EDIT: Ok, I am a dufuss! You have to click in the deployment areas after assigning the rooms as job rooms! I now have people working in my laundry, cleaning cupboard and hopefully soon in the kitchen!

[sitontheedge]

I'm having this problem too. ~60 have attended (and there actually have been large groups sitting in the canteen every day), 0% passed. I don't even have armed guards yet, so that can't be the issue.

Could it have something to do with the kitchen staff? Nobody seems to show up to do the teaching, and the inmates pool in the canteen, not the kitchen (I'm not sure if that's what's supposed to happen or not).

[dibley1973]

@sitontheedge - have you read my edit at the bottom of my post just above yours? That solved my issue doing that...

[dibley1973]

If after reading all the advice in the posts above you are still struggling to get your prisoners to go to work for you, maybe have a look at THIS CLIP I have just uploaded to You Tube to help with this very issue.

I hope that helps!

[sitontheedge]

Dibley, I did see that. But here's the problem: I'm already succesfully using asignment to get peopl to work laundry, cleaning, and metal shop. But the kitchen and dining hall don't show up green on the assignment menu. They can't be assigned to. So assigning won't solve my problem.

[faye's ♥]

Originally posted by Emmote:

As for Solitary, well, it takes them a while for the supression to wear off, and the longer the solitary time, the longer the supression takes to wear off. I use the stock times, but some people put them in for hours and hours.

My penalties are quite severe. Punishment for contraband range anywhere from 15 hours in lockdown to 20-30 hours in solitary. As for assault, murder and escape attempts, solitary range from 30 to 70 hours.

I once had this prisoner who tried to escape while I was doing renovation, he somehow got a shotgun from the armory, killed my guard, killed another janitor until he got pacified by armed guards. He's now serving 150+ hours in solitary :D

Soo I guess no hope for reform in Black Mile Penitentiary. ONLY PAIN

[DigitalImpostor]

Originally posted by sitontheedge:

Dibley, I did see that. But here's the problem: I'm already succesfully using asignment to get peopl to work laundry, cleaning, and metal shop. But the kitchen and dining hall don't show up green on the assignment menu. They can't be assigned to. So assigning won't solve my problem.

When you say "kitchen and dining hall" do you mean they're both in the same room? If so, that's where your problem lies.

[sitontheedge]

Nope, they're in separate rooms. However, I now fixed it so that the kitchen shows up green (it was something odd to do with doors).

That still doesn't fix the problem though: ~100 people have now completed kitchen safety. Not one of them passed. The problem does indeed seem to be that nobody attends. I'd like to figure this out, my kitchen staff is getting huge.