SOLVED: Prisoners kick off every morning

[gryphon]

Evey morning without fail a large number of my inmates will kick off.

As soon as they wake up they are in need of the loo, shower and food.

First thing in the regime is shower. I have toilets in there so within that hour they have met both the hygene and bladder/bowels need.

BUT some kick off during this hour or on the way to the canteen (next on their regime).

There isnt enough time between them waking up and them kicking off to meet their needs.

Theyre pretty calm when they go to bed, and i have tried sending them to bed later (so there is less time for their needs to build up during the night), but that doesnt have an effect. It just makes them kick off in the evening as well because they are tired!!!

My regime is pretty spot on the rest of the time with very low heat for the majority of the day, but the mornings are guarenteed to go crazy within the first 2 hours of waking up.

[Charles the Bald]

I have found that sending them to shower just before they go to bed lessens the trouble you have in the morning (when I get them to shower again).

[gryphon]

I thought of that too. But i found that only a small number of prisoners are interested in showering in the evening - most just go there and do nothing. So I put it to free time instead of shower in the hope the others could do something useful as well.

Perhaps i will re-look at this. thanks

[Frazzledragøn the Trustworthy]

Spread out the regime. Wake up the Max Sec first so they shower. It's possible that overcrowded showers leaves many of your prisoners unsatisfied or pathfinding makes them go on a long walk instead of using the nearest showerhead.
Are the shower rooms close to the prisoner's cells? The longer they have to walk the more angry they get.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=486305737
This kind of setup has proven useful.

Let the Med Sec and Low Sec follow one hour later while the Max Sec should be already on their way to the canteen.
If that wasn't enough supply your canteen with maybe a few toilets, showerheads, TVs, prayer mats etc. etc. in case they are actually craving something different.

Deploy extra guards during your shower-hours or have an Armed Guard deployed to the most problematic zone.

[gryphon]

Every cell has its own shower with a toilet in too, so there is no overcrowding or travel time. This has worked wonders for in the past.

I wake the max sec up first, then the med then low.So they have a staggered start with 2 hours between. (I tried one hour between but it was slightly worse).

Ive got all sorts is irems as you suggest in my canteen, but mostly they kick off during the shower time in the first hour.

I havent tried putting armed guards on patrol in the area. But it is everyone so i presumed it must be a regime problem.

[deltaTom]

Originally posted by gryphon:

Every cell has its own shower with a toilet in too, so there is no overcrowding or travel time. This has worked wonders for in the past.

I wake the max sec up first, then the med then low.So they have a staggered start with 2 hours between. (I tried one hour between but it was slightly worse).

Ive got all sorts is irems as you suggest in my canteen, but mostly they kick off during the shower time in the first hour.

I havent tried putting armed guards on patrol in the area. But it is everyone so i presumed it must be a regime problem.

You just wait untill the gangs take controll of the canteens/showers...

[gryphon]

Hmmm, i might try bumping up the cell quality. I have quite a few below average which might be making a bit of a difference.

Its an odd one though, I have previously been able to pacify the population within the first few hours of the day before they go crazy, now though they go crazy much faster.

[Charles the Bald]

No, it's an intelligence problem. Your prisoners come bouncing out of their cells first thing in the morning going "I want a shower! I want a shower! Oooooohhh, I'm so angry at not having a shower I'm going to punch this shower head"

As well as making them shower at night I also double the number of guards in the cell blocks first thing in the morning. The prisoners get up at 5am, I have the doubled-up guards from 4 to 6 (I call them in early, so they have time to get there).

Also, how many armed guards do you have in your prison? Armed guards make prisoners angry. If you have more than 6 or so armed guards that will be having a noticeable affect on the temperature of your prison.

[Frazzledragøn the Trustworthy]

Is it the hygiene need that ticks them off or is it another need?
Do you mean you have a shower-zone in every prisoner's cell or just a showerhead?

Perhaps your prisoners do get to shower but then they end up not being able to go to the toilet.

[gryphon]

Cool thanks. I will definately try the shower at night thing. And I will put more guards in the cell blocks.#

I have got quite a few armed guards but they are all well away from gen pop in a different section of the prison.

Do you get much trouble in the mornings? Would you mind sharing a screenie of your regime?

[gryphon]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=492651599

Here is one of my cells, the toilet in the shower works well, they use one then the other :)

But they kick off in the morning all the same. First thing they have 3 needs as priority - shower, loo and food.

Cant satify all 3 fast enough before several of them go nuts.

[Frazzledragøn the Trustworthy]

I see now. It's quite possible that they kick off because you wake them up so early.
The needs of prisoners are not entirely based on "How long have I been awake", it actually is partially daytime related.
Consider sending them to bed later but also waking them up later, I'd say 2 or 3 hours.
Probably a pain in the butt to shift all those regime times, and sadly I can't even guarantee any success with that. In case you wanna try that, go and save beforehand.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=486305772

This one of my my regimes.

[CloudSeeker]

Are they extremely volatile? They kick of every single day without warnings or reasons.

[CarThief]

Hm, mine also kick off daily. They wake up, are supposed to shower but instead cause fights throughout prison (this being a giant nearly 500-prisoner-sized prison), i've tried increasing regular guard patrols during the morning, no effect, still full of rage. Went back to my old plan of having temporarely early ARMED guard patrols, during the morning, not much luck either.

Armed guards or not, they never wake up without a fight, lately they're even rioting. Tried all the good advice, Shower before sleeping, Shower right after, 3 hours of freetime to fill their needs, eating time, and off to work.
I wonder if those bastard drug-users and alcoholics with their constant yelling anger the other prisoners...

Hm, maybe it's something in their vincity that angers them. My seperated blocks for Legendaries and Snitches never has morning problems. Heck, my Legendaries look like innocent sweet puppies in comparison to my MaxSec populace. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell.
Now all the profits are gone due to daily deaths, meh... And i was hoping to clean that 1.5mil remaining debt from building the whole thing (infinte money mode).

[burningmime]

I just put armed guards in the shower for that part of the regime. They're suppressed and won't kick off for the next few hours, and the supression wears off by the time they go to class.

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by CarThief:

Hm, mine also kick off daily. They wake up, are supposed to shower but instead cause fights throughout prison (this being a giant nearly 500-prisoner-sized prison), i've tried increasing regular guard patrols during the morning, no effect, still full of rage. Went back to my old plan of having temporarely early ARMED guard patrols, during the morning, not much luck either.

Armed guards or not, they never wake up without a fight, lately they're even rioting. Tried all the good advice, Shower before sleeping, Shower right after, 3 hours of freetime to fill their needs, eating time, and off to work.
I wonder if those bastard drug-users and alcoholics with their constant yelling anger the other prisoners...

Hm, maybe it's something in their vincity that angers them. My seperated blocks for Legendaries and Snitches never has morning problems. Heck, my Legendaries look like innocent sweet puppies in comparison to my MaxSec populace. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell.
Now all the profits are gone due to daily deaths, meh... And i was hoping to clean that 1.5mil remaining debt from building the whole thing (infinte money mode).

Can you post your regime? I found out that you can no longer use lockdown as sleeping hours.