Max Security / Supermax cell blocks

[jaymus2001]

I've been playing this game a while now, and I've never really messed with higher than medium security prisoners until recently. They have the same needs as my less rowdy prisoners but letting them loose seems to cause a whooole lot of problems in the form of fights and the odd murder. I've been trying to come up with a cellblock design to keep the max security population as isolated from each other as I can, but I'm having difficulty with meeting their needs.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=602826689

I've been messing with different designs on my Testing Grounds map but nothing is working quite right. They're pretty unhappy due to literacy in particular, but none of them are passing their education program... because they're so illiterate and unhappy. Their freedom need has also slowly risen as their needs for literacy aren't met.

How should I make this work? I don't want them to share the library with my lower security prisoners because I went that route where I let them use the same work/rec areas as my medium security inmates and things went to hell pretty fast.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated because as soon as I nail this down, I can finish the prison I've been working on for a prison I intend on sharing in the Workshop.

Thanks for reading!

[jasonharris2]

i am building 3 prisons on my map 1 is max /death row 2 is min /pc and the last 1 is med

[jaymus2001]

Originally posted by John E. Coolpepper:

You have a lot of space wasted in corridors, About how to do it, it depends, what do you want to do with your max and supermax prisoners? if you just want them to stay in the prison, without reforming or working, asign armed patrols near the cells (armed guards deliver supression in a radius of 12), so they are always supressed to the max and they wont cause trouble.
if you want them to be reformed... i cant help you.

I'll reform them after I've been able to effectively contain them without incident, thanks for the info on the armed guards. I've got another layout to show since I had the same conclusion you had, too much corridor space. It's still under development so there's no yard or any of that yet, the cell next to the cellblock is for Supermax prisoners, it's what's going to end up going with the final map.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=602993124

[Jet City Gambler]

You can also build a library in there to help satisfy their lliteracy needs. Even if no one is working there, if you have a staffed library somewhere in your prison the workers will eventually bring sorted books in and place them on the shelves.

I have a SuperMax wing that's all gang members, they won't attend any reform programs but I built a little 5x5 library and once I got a few books in there it really helped reduce their literacy needs.

[jaymus2001]

Originally posted by Jet City Gambler:

You can also build a library in there to help satisfy their lliteracy needs. Even if no one is working there, if you have a staffed library somewhere in your prison the workers will eventually bring sorted books in and place them on the shelves.

I have a SuperMax wing that's all gang members, they won't attend any reform programs but I built a little 5x5 library and once I got a few books in there it really helped reduce their literacy needs.

Do the inmates working the library bring the books or do the workers themselves bring a box of books that will be sufficient in fulfilling their needs? I guess what I'm asking is do the shelves need to be stocked or will just a box of books set down by the workers give the heathens something to read?

[Trixi]

Originally posted by jaymus2001:

Originally posted by Jet City Gambler:

You can also build a library in there to help satisfy their lliteracy needs. Even if no one is working there, if you have a staffed library somewhere in your prison the workers will eventually bring sorted books in and place them on the shelves.

I have a SuperMax wing that's all gang members, they won't attend any reform programs but I built a little 5x5 library and once I got a few books in there it really helped reduce their literacy needs.

Do the inmates working the library bring the books or do the workers themselves bring a box of books that will be sufficient in fulfilling their needs? I guess what I'm asking is do the shelves need to be stocked or will just a box of books set down by the workers give the heathens something to read?

the prisoners have to sort the books into the shelves. So you need have some prisoner pass the basic education program

[jaymus2001]

Originally posted by Trixi:

Originally posted by jaymus2001:

Do the inmates working the library bring the books or do the workers themselves bring a box of books that will be sufficient in fulfilling their needs? I guess what I'm asking is do the shelves need to be stocked or will just a box of books set down by the workers give the heathens something to read?

the prisoners have to sort the books into the shelves. So you need have some prisoner pass the basic education program

Damn, I was hoping for a slacker's way out XD I'll have to get them into an education program straight away and hope for the best, or find a way to have medium security prisoners work it for a little while in a shared library until the max security guys finally get it together. An armed guard should keep things civil in the meantime.

[Jet City Gambler]

Originally posted by Trixi:

the prisoners have to sort the books into the shelves. So you need have some prisoner pass the basic education program

Actually, that's not correct. As I said, if you have a staffed Library somewhere in the prison, the guards will (eventually) move sorted books to your SuperMax library, even if you have no one working there.

Here's my SuperMax, as you can see the Library shelves are fully stocked even though there are no prisoners working there. I have a large Library in general population, the guards move the books from there.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=603089536

[Trixi]

Originally posted by Jet City Gambler:

Originally posted by Trixi:

the prisoners have to sort the books into the shelves. So you need have some prisoner pass the basic education program

Actually, that's not correct. As I said, if you have a staffed Library somewhere in the prison, the guards will (eventually) move sorted books to your SuperMax library, even if you have no one working there.

Here's my SuperMax, as you can see the Library shelves are fully stocked even though there are no prisoners working there. I have a large Library in general population, the guards move the books from there.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=603089536

okay, very interesting. So you need just one working library, right?

Originally posted by jaymus2001:

An armed guard should keep things civil in the meantime.

well armed guards suppress your prisoners and suppressed prisoners wont join programs and if they will fail them. So dont suppress your prisoners, which you want to reform.

[Jet City Gambler]

I have a large central Library staffed by 6 inmates. It takes a while because I think they have to fill up those shelves first, before moving the "excess" sorted books to the MaxSec library, but eventually it fills up.