dorms or cells?

[SpAceMan]

As long as the dorm is high quality, most prisoners are pretty happy, and it seems like dorms are more cost effiecient, so is there any reason to even use cells?

[Trixi]

yes, only cells can provide privacy needs.

also your prisoners can dig tunnels more easily within dorms.

i prefer 3x1 cells :D

[SpAceMan]

Originally posted by Trixi:

yes, only cells can provide privacy needs.

also your prisoners can dig tunnels more easily within dorms.

i prefer 3x1 cells :D

with lots of fences around them, and high quality dorms and good food, the privacy needs generally dont get them mad enough to cause any hassle though

[identifiedasbeingdisrespectful]

I find dorms only really cause problems with higher security level inmates. I've been using pretty much the standard quick build dorms with resulting high privacy needs, but none critical when my prison is low and med sec. When I start transitioning to high sec, all hell breaks loose as soon as morning lockup begins. They're fine any other time of day, but at least one death seems to be common between morning lockup hour and shower/lunch time after wakeup.

[No.]

I only use dorms for protective custody. They haven't complained so far, but if they ever act up, they're going back to general pop to get murdered within the hour.

[SpAceMan]

fairs, ive only had med secs live in dorms so far

[SpAceMan]

Originally posted by John E. Coolpepper:

Originally posted by ur nan:

with lots of fences around them, and high quality dorms and good food, the privacy needs generally dont get them mad enough to cause any hassle though

its true that they dont cause hassle if you satisfy almost everything else because privacy never goes critical. in fact, i use 4 dorms of 25 immates for my testing prison.

the problem is that if you want them to pass programs, you need to satisfy their needs as well as you can, and privacy counts.

ah didnt think about that

[identifiedasbeingdisrespectful]

there's still a "cell quality" factor as well, it's just based on the number of people. Make the dormitory larger compared to the number of bunks, or use just regular beds so max 2 per same size, and I bet privacy gets better. I think the problems with high sec are accurate. I know a few people that worked in prisons and you'd never have communal cells for a high security prison. County jails and misdamenor crimes, sure.

[Phidius]

Had dorm rooms in my 2 prison as an overflow area because events were turned on and tends to inherit prionsers if extra capacity. My womens prison was all dorms and no cells, I wanted social butterflies. Now I am building a high security prison and am only using cells because I want to keep escape attempts to a minimum, although the prisoners were very aggressive charging the exit with weapons drawn, only had 12 escapes the first 30 days. A dorm room escape attempt and the whole room is cleared.

[No.]

Originally posted by eewan2b:

only had 12 escapes the first 30 days.

u wut, m8?

Is this your first prison? Otherway you should invest part of your money from the previous one to buy the adjacent areas on the map, then throw some dogs and perimeter walls there to prevent these kind of scenarios. 12 escapes in 30 days doesn't sound good.

[Phidius]

There is only one way out, and those prisoners were bull rushing the guards at the entrance. Smacking the guards out of their way to freedom. The climate got better after I resolved their recreation needs, but Rome wasn't built in a day, ya know?

[identifiedasbeingdisrespectful]

don't accept prisoners the first few days and build a fence line first?

[Trixi]

Originally posted by sc2mails:

there's still a "cell quality" factor as well, it's just based on the number of people. Make the dormitory larger compared to the number of bunks, or use just regular beds so max 2 per same size, and I bet privacy gets better. I think the problems with high sec are accurate. I know a few people that worked in prisons and you'd never have communal cells for a high security prison. County jails and misdamenor crimes, sure.

The privacy need for a 2 people dorm or a 100 people dorm makes no difference. its just 0.

[identifiedasbeingdisrespectful]

Originally posted by Trixi:

Originally posted by sc2mails:

there's still a "cell quality" factor as well, it's just based on the number of people. Make the dormitory larger compared to the number of bunks, or use just regular beds so max 2 per same size, and I bet privacy gets better. I think the problems with high sec are accurate. I know a few people that worked in prisons and you'd never have communal cells for a high security prison. County jails and misdamenor crimes, sure.

The privacy need for a 2 people dorm or a 100 people dorm makes no difference. its just 0.

I meant the overall cell quality, as shown in logistics. There's still a size, entertainment, etc. factor for dorms. You just don't get a readout of what everyone deserves, just the overall quality based on the number of people packed in. I brought it up because that can be used to mitigate the lack of privacy. I don't know how it's set up fully, but I would imagine the more space per prisoner, the less the effect. Why else does cell quality increase with more space? Why are my prisoners in dorms with only one cell mate less rowdy than those with 3?

Obviously privacy won't fill if it's not private. It seems to me this need is most aggravated by using the toilet around others.

[Phoenix C64]

Eff their privacy. They are in prison, not a hotel.

[Trixi]

Originally posted by sc2mails:

Originally posted by Trixi:

The privacy need for a 2 people dorm or a 100 people dorm makes no difference. its just 0.

I meant the overall cell quality, as shown in logistics. There's still a size, entertainment, etc. factor for dorms. You just don't get a readout of what everyone deserves, just the overall quality based on the number of people packed in. I brought it up because that can be used to mitigate the lack of privacy. I don't know how it's set up fully, but I would imagine the more space per prisoner, the less the effect. Why else does cell quality increase with more space? Why are my prisoners in dorms with only one cell mate less rowdy than those with 3?

Obviously privacy won't fill if it's not private. It seems to me this need is most aggravated by using the toilet around others.

the cell quality doesnt change anything with the privacy need. The effect is just simply: if a prisoner is assigned to a dormitory, he's privacy need dont get satisfied, ever! Privacy Need is only satisfied from normal cells.

the cell quality of a dormitory depends at the objects and size per assigned prisoner. At a dormitory there count other objects, than in a normal cells. As its changing per assigned prisoner, the cell quality of the same dorm can vary.

A prisoner is assigned to the grade of a cell/dorm at base of his/her behaviour. As longer he has no misconduct, as better is the cell/dorm, he gets assigned to.