Prisoners don't feel safe.

[Thirium 310]

Big problem. All prisoners don't feel safe and always fail then in reform programs. I don't know why they don't feel safe, because there is never one single fight in my prison. And I have no armed guards. Bull sh i t game mechanics. How can they don't feel safe without any fight in my prison? There are never fights! Maybe is the problem that I mixed all prisoners in different security levels? Maybe the min security is scared from the max if they eat together?

[Nanox]

Safety need can be reduced by hiring more guards. (not armed ones because they increase the safety need). This mostly depends on your prisoner/guard ratio. Not enough guards will increase the safety need.

I can't say for sure that security level influence the safety need. But I do always separate them as much as possible and I don't seem to struggle much with the safety need.

[Thirium 310]

Originally posted by Nanox:

Safety need can be reduced by hiring more guards. (not armed ones because they increase the safety need). This mostly depends on your prisoner/guard ratio. Not enough guards will increase the safety need.

I can't say for sure that security level influence the safety need. But I do always separate them as much as possible and I don't seem to struggle much with the safety need.

I have much regulary guards. So that is not the problem. My safety problem occured when i didn't separate the security level prisoners. But that may not be a problem in my opinion. If this is the problem, then i can tell you that prison architect has sh i t game mechanics.

[Vlad the Memer]

Originally posted by The_Warrior_Of_Darkness:

Originally posted by Nanox:

Safety need can be reduced by hiring more guards. (not armed ones because they increase the safety need). This mostly depends on your prisoner/guard ratio. Not enough guards will increase the safety need.

I can't say for sure that security level influence the safety need. But I do always separate them as much as possible and I don't seem to struggle much with the safety need.

I have much regulary guards. So that is not the problem. My safety problem occured when i didn't separate the security level prisoners. But that may not be a problem in my opinion. If this is the problem, then i can tell you that prison architect has sh i t game mechanics.

I think it makes sense for the min security failures to not feel safe around max security monsters. Why wouldn't it?

[Thirium 310]

Originally posted by Vlad the Memer:

Originally posted by The_Warrior_Of_Darkness:

I have much regulary guards. So that is not the problem. My safety problem occured when i didn't separate the security level prisoners. But that may not be a problem in my opinion. If this is the problem, then i can tell you that prison architect has sh i t game mechanics.

I think it makes sense for the min security failures to not feel safe around max security monsters. Why wouldn't it?

And also I don't understand. Since my prisoners are screaming for safety then there is no fight any more in the prison. My danger level is always really high, and never a fight in the prison. how da fck? -_-

[Nanox]

Oh sorry I forgot to mention as well that safety also mostly depends from the danger level. A high level increases the the safety need. A lower one reduces it.

http://devwiki.introversion.co.uk/pa/index.php/Danger

this page can help you how to reduce the danger level of your prison.

[Thirium 310]

Originally posted by Nanox:

Oh sorry I forgot to mention as well that safety also mostly depends from the danger level. A high level increases the the safety need. A lower one reduces it.

http://devwiki.introversion.co.uk/pa/index.php/Danger

this page can help you how to reduce the danger level of your prison.

But i don't know why my danger level increases. I statisfy all needs. my problem is not gonna solve :( nobody can solve my problem :(

[RagingRumskullian]

Originally posted by The_Warrior_Of_Darkness:

Originally posted by Nanox:

Oh sorry I forgot to mention as well that safety also mostly depends from the danger level. A high level increases the the safety need. A lower one reduces it.

http://devwiki.introversion.co.uk/pa/index.php/Danger

this page can help you how to reduce the danger level of your prison.

But i don't know why my danger level increases. I statisfy all needs. my problem is not gonna solve :(

Your danger level might be high because your prisoners are very suppressed. If a prisoner is suppressed, he is also very unhappy, which may increase the danger level. If this is the case with your prison, fire some armed guards, and give your prisoners a little more free time.

[Thirium 310]

Originally posted by simtom1500:

Originally posted by The_Warrior_Of_Darkness:

But i don't know why my danger level increases. I statisfy all needs. my problem is not gonna solve :(

Your danger level might be high because your prisoners are very suppressed. If a prisoner is suppressed, he is also very unhappy, which may increase the danger level. If this is the case with your prison, fire some armed guards, and give your prisoners a little more free time.

They have work/free time. And I have no armed guards. And I read if you lock up people you can decrease the safety need. So why would I give yet more free time?

[Nanox]

Have you tried hovering over the danger level? It can tell you what angers the prisoners and what makes them happy. If you have staff needs or gangs turned on in your prison that can also influence the danger level.

I dont think suppresion can increase the danger level. Because it makes the prisoners obey the law enforcement of your prison.

[leon james]

Originally posted by The_Warrior_Of_Darkness:

Originally posted by Nanox:

Safety need can be reduced by hiring more guards. (not armed ones because they increase the safety need). This mostly depends on your prisoner/guard ratio. Not enough guards will increase the safety need.

I can't say for sure that security level influence the safety need. But I do always separate them as much as possible and I don't seem to struggle much with the safety need.

I have much regulary guards. So that is not the problem. My safety problem occured when i didn't separate the security level prisoners. But that may not be a problem in my opinion. If this is the problem, then i can tell you that prison architect has sh i t game mechanics.

The inmate classification custody system consists of four custody levels based upon the inmate’s
likelihood of escape or committing violence:
CHAPTER: 800 - INMATE MANAGEMENT
DEPARTMENT ORDER: 801 - INMATE CLASSIFICATION
INMATE CLASSIFICATION MARCH 5, 2016 801 - PAGE 3
1.3.1 Maximum Custody – Inmates who represent the highest risk to the public and staff and
require housing in a single cell or double cell environment. These inmates have limited
work opportunities within the secure perimeter and require frequent monitoring. These
inmates require controlled movement within the institution.
1.3.2 Close Custody – Inmates who represent a high risk to the public and staff. These
inmates shall not be assigned to work outside the secure perimeter of an institution.
These inmates require controlled movement within the institution.
1.3.3 Medium Custody – Inmates who represent a moderate risk to the public and staff.
These inmates shall not work outside the secure perimeter of an institution and require
limited controlled movement within the institution.
1.3.4 Minimum Custody – Inmates who represent a low risk to the public and staff. These
inmates may work outside the secure perimeter of an institution, to include community
work crews, and do not require controlled movement within the institution.

[leon james]

https://corrections.az.gov/sites/default/files/policies/800/0801.pdf
stupid mechanic is a real life mechanic feelsbadman

[Thirium 310]

Originally posted by Dota 2 is cancer is cancer:

Originally posted by The_Warrior_Of_Darkness:

I have much regulary guards. So that is not the problem. My safety problem occured when i didn't separate the security level prisoners. But that may not be a problem in my opinion. If this is the problem, then i can tell you that prison architect has sh i t game mechanics.

The inmate classification custody system consists of four custody levels based upon the inmate’s
likelihood of escape or committing violence:
CHAPTER: 800 - INMATE MANAGEMENT
DEPARTMENT ORDER: 801 - INMATE CLASSIFICATION
INMATE CLASSIFICATION MARCH 5, 2016 801 - PAGE 3
1.3.1 Maximum Custody – Inmates who represent the highest risk to the public and staff and
require housing in a single cell or double cell environment. These inmates have limited
work opportunities within the secure perimeter and require frequent monitoring. These
inmates require controlled movement within the institution.
1.3.2 Close Custody – Inmates who represent a high risk to the public and staff. These
inmates shall not be assigned to work outside the secure perimeter of an institution.
These inmates require controlled movement within the institution.
1.3.3 Medium Custody – Inmates who represent a moderate risk to the public and staff.
These inmates shall not work outside the secure perimeter of an institution and require
limited controlled movement within the institution.
1.3.4 Minimum Custody – Inmates who represent a low risk to the public and staff. These
inmates may work outside the secure perimeter of an institution, to include community
work crews, and do not require controlled movement within the institution.

wtf is this?

[leon james]

Originally posted by The_Warrior_Of_Darkness:

wtf is this?

u said mixing min and max prisoners together should b ok and if it wasnt it was a bad mechanic. why dont u read it and understand why they are seperated. if the min is less likely to b violent than the max who is prone to violence, why do u think the min is scared for it's safety?????

[gttlin]

If you put min and and max together there will feel then self less save so keep then out of each other at least dont put then to gather in a cell wing or a canteen. And dont forget if you have it on the gangs to.

[Thirium 310]

Originally posted by gttlin:

If you put min and and max together there will feel then self less save so keep then out of each other at least dont put then to gather in a cell wing or a canteen. And dont forget if you have it on the gangs to.

So never put min, max, and medium together? :O