Psych Ward Escapees? What?

[Goodyear]

Why is it a mechanic that psych ward residents can and attempt to escape? Out of everything completely wrong with this DLC, that's what gets me the most. I stayed in a mental institution for a period of time, and I find the concept ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ offensive. We go there to get better, not because we were ordered to.

[X-SR71]

Criminally insane go there because they were ordered to, though.

[Goodyear]

I dunno what nations system this is based on, but here in Canada I was in with a straight up 13 year old cannibal that murdered her family with a guy that thought he was a werewolf. She didn't want to escape, either. That Vincent Li, the one who decapitated a kid on a greyhound bus, also never tried escaping. If you're legitimately mentally troubled, odds are you don't want out of the safe environment you've been put in, because it's way better than your previous circumstances more often than not.

[KeiwaM]

Originally posted by DJ Wise Pariah:

I dunno what nations system this is based on, but here in Canada I was in with a straight up 13 year old cannibal that murdered her family with a guy that thought he was a werewolf. She didn't want to escape, either. That Vincent Li, the one who decapitated a kid on a greyhound bus, also never tried escaping. If you're legitimately mentally troubled, odds are you don't want out of the safe environment you've been put in, because it's way better than your previous circumstances more often than not.

Didn't know you had shotgun guards, direwolf handlers and sniper towers either. It's a game, don't compare it to real life.

[Goodyear]

Well, guards with shotguns, and sniper towers, yes, that's pretty standard across most prisons. And it's under the simulator genre, so yes, I expect a certain level of authenticity to it.

[Kunovega]

There's a vast difference between voluntary commitment,which is usually sent to a hospital and criminally insane, convicted convicts being handled by the prison system.

Criminally insane are not there by choice, you seem to have confused two very different concepts.

[JackknifeRacing]

watch prison break, especially for haywire hahah he does want to escape, because he was forced into it, theres a huge difference in the uk between hospital admissions (what it sounds like you where) and being sectioned (locked up by the law)

[Gremling]

There are those who are aware of their mental problems and those who are not. The latter usually doesn't agree with the fact that they need help and rather search the "enemy" in their environment. If these special "snowflakes" start to be a threat to humanity it isn't their choice anymore to get the white jacket or not.
At least that's how it is handled in my country.

[Goodyear]

Originally posted by RSR:

watch prison break, especially for haywire hahah he does want to escape, because he was forced into it, theres a huge difference in the uk between hospital admissions (what it sounds like you where) and being sectioned (locked up by the law)

I live in Canada, not the UK. A court order is a court order, no matter what country you live in.

Originally posted by Kunovega:

There's a vast difference between voluntary commitment,which is usually sent to a hospital and criminally insane, convicted convicts being handled by the prison system.

Criminally insane are not there by choice, you seem to have confused two very different concepts.

None of the people I was with were there on a voluntary basis, and neither was I. I think it's you who doesn't understand.

Originally posted by Silwabbit:

There are those who are aware of their mental problems and those who are not. The latter usually doesn't agree with the fact that they need help and rather search the "enemy" in their environment. If these special "snowflakes" start to be a threat to humanity it isn't their choice anymore to get the white jacket or not.
At least that's how it is handled in my country.

I'm not saying there aren't those who want to try escaping, but we're talking about such a tiny minority, that it shouldn't even play into the game. Or if it does, they should have severely reduced want to escape, unless mutators are on that make it otherwise.As for your ignorant and generalized view on mental health issues, I suggest you educate yourself, because it's not at all that black and white.

[TrueBlue_Oz]

What gets me is how prisoners and patents can just walk freely out the front door the moment you create one or even add a standard gate into a fence where the only access is for a guard to get through atm..

and guards even open the front door for them..

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by DJ Wise Pariah:

We go there to get better, not because we were ordered to.

Originally posted by DJ Wise Pariah:

Originally posted by Kunovega:

There's a vast difference between voluntary commitment,which is usually sent to a hospital and criminally insane, convicted convicts being handled by the prison system.

Criminally insane are not there by choice, you seem to have confused two very different concepts.

None of the people I was with were there on a voluntary basis, and neither was I. I think it's you who doesn't understand.

First you claimed you weren't ordered to be there. (that would be voluntary)

Now you claim you were not there on a voluntary basis.

You can't even get your own story straight.

My point remains: There's a world of difference between voluntary commitment (can leave whenever), involuntary civilian psych hold for mental health checks (short term mandatory hospital stay) and actual criminally insane handled by the prison systems.

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The only thing strange in this is that normally the criminally insane are never mixed with general population and if they needed to be in padded rooms they also are not given furniture.

As for trying to escape (which is what you are complaining about) yea, they do try, at least the ones who don't choose to comply.

[TrueBlue_Oz]

Originally posted by Kunovega:

Originally posted by DJ Wise Pariah:

We go there to get better, not because we were ordered to.

Originally posted by DJ Wise Pariah:

None of the people I was with were there on a voluntary basis, and neither was I. I think it's you who doesn't understand.

First you claimed you weren't ordered to be there. (that would be voluntary)

Now you claim you were not there on a voluntary basis.

You can't even get your own story straight.

My point remains: There's a world of difference between voluntary commitment (can leave whenever), involuntary civilian psych hold for mental health checks (short term mandatory hospital stay) and actual criminally insane handled by the prison systems.

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The only thing strange in this is that normally the criminally insane are never mixed with general population and if they needed to be in padded rooms they also are not given furniture.

As for trying to escape (which is what you are complaining about) yea, they do try, at least the ones who don't choose to comply.

Yet they can walk freely in and out of the front door when ever they like and Guards even open the jailed door for them.... lol

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by c0mpute:

Yet they can walk freely in and out of the front door when ever they like and Guards even open the jailed door for them.... lol

That's more likely a game bug than anything else, this is new content and they are still fixing things.

It also has nothing to do with my reply to him and his contradictions

[TrueBlue_Oz]

Originally posted by Kunovega:

Originally posted by c0mpute:

Yet they can walk freely in and out of the front door when ever they like and Guards even open the jailed door for them.... lol

That's more likely a game bug than anything else, this is new content and they are still fixing things.

It also has nothing to do with my reply to him and his contradictions

Probably.. it just pays to note things .. i felt compelled to add it here instead of a new thread.. lol

And it does when i have both the criminally insane and med sec prisoners mixing with each other.. lol

[Le_Busher]

and I HAVEN T SEE ANY CRIMINAL INSAME TRIED TO ESCAPE
they stay in cell most of the timeof they free time ...

[Gremling]

Originally posted by DJ Wise Pariah:

I'm not saying there aren't those who want to try escaping, but we're talking about such a tiny minority, that it shouldn't even play into the game. Or if it does, they should have severely reduced want to escape, unless mutators are on that make it otherwise.As for your ignorant and generalized view on mental health issues, I suggest you educate yourself, because it's not at all that black and white.

Oh, doesn't this hurt my feelings. I'm no expert, but certainly not completely ignorant in that regard, I had several psychological problems, one of them completely ruined a good part of my life. And the very fundamental problem with this was, that I didn't see the problem in me but everyone else, so I would've never seeked out help for myself nor would've went or stayed in a ward willingly. They couldn't legally force me into a ward, but I got my experiences and my help.
Regarding breakouts: my brother, who is autistic, literally broke out the house every other weekend if something minor like a spoon dropped on the floor. We had to search the entire town to get him back on a regular basis for years. When we tried to put him in an institution once, he broke out and walked 40 miles back home. And my brother wasn't the only "not normal" person in my environment who pulled such stuff. So I kinda don't feel opposed to the idea that breakouts aren't that rare of a thing, especially with more dangerous people with a similar mindset that was basically mine or my brothers back in the day.
My view might be biased with my own experiences and differ from yours, but it isn't made of ignorance, thank you very much for your judgment, random stranger.


Of course there is no mental ward with huge breakouts. I've visited one where depression and more was cured and those people would've gone nowhere - I completely agree with that.
But we're talking about
A - a game and
B - a prison mental ward

Not only would it be "boring" for a game if they did nothing but sitting in a circle all day (Hollywood has already colored that more "exciting"), I can imagine that cases brought to prison differ a lot from the less violent ones in regular wards and the developers might feel its justified to take over that Hollywood-style just for the challenge and fun factor it provides.
However - I'm pretty new to this game and still don't get a lot that's going on here. But I noticed, that realism isn't really a big thing despite the developers trying. If a lone prisoner can take out an armed guard with security west I get somehow suspicious.
Also it seems to be new content so there's that. Try to contact the devs with this - no idea if this works but they might consider your idea, since it seems pretty important to you.