The Class System

[Tony]

The Last Remnant's class system is really confusing. I consulted the wikia but don't understand any of it. Right now I'm trying to become a Guardian, I looked under the requirement to become one and it says

"PC Only: Minimum Style: One-Handed 13
or Power Grip 13 or Two-Handed 13
PC Only: Minimum Item: Herbs 6 or Lotions 6"

What does that mean and how do you determine those numbers? Is it supposed to be the sum of your arts for that particular skill?

[Stabbey]

The Last Remnant is full of hidden experience meters. You can only really see them with Trainers. So yes it is really hard to get into some classes, ESPECIALLY Guardian.

I wanted to get Blocter into the Warrior class, but because he leveled his basic herbs up ONCE, ONCE, 1 time only, he ended up falling into the Scout class. And I turned them off very soon after I was able to put David into a party.

[lilwing]

http://lastremnant.wikia.com/wiki/Developing_Arts
Here you can find about "numbers", it's levels.

[Tony]

@Stabbey

Should I just use a trainer to make things easier?


@lilwing so when it says

"One-Handed 13
or Power Grip 13 or Two-Handed 13"

So these numbers refer to the skill group level? Also where would one-handed, power grip, and two-handed fall under out of all the skill groups: wield styles, weapon types, low mystic, high mystic, or item?

[PinkPаптҥэя]

I assume you are on a first run, not on a new game plus (NG+) and Rush's mystic arts are only Invocations and Remedies at this point.
In order to become Guardian, those mystic arts must not become significant, meaning you need to disable them completely.

For healing you can use Rush's items (herbs). Those are supposed to reach at least level 6 at the time of the class change.

Which is your Rush's current class?

[Tony]

Currently, Rush is a swashbuckler. My question is how do you know what level your skill is. For example, how do I know what level my herbs are to see if they are level 6

[Stabbey]

You don't. (Unless you use a trainer.) I don't use a trainer because I don't care that much.

Becoming a guardian is really hard because you're more likely to become a Scout first, and if that happens, you'll probably be stuck in it past the point where you can become a Guardian. Guardian is probably not something you can do on a first run.

On the second run, never, ever use Herbs, only lotions... but keep your combat arts really high and don't use Mystics.

[PinkPаптҥэя]

OK, Swashbuckler is a tier 3 class.
Class changes can only occur on advancing tiers, not sideways.
Your next classes (tier 4) could be Warrior or Fencer, but only if you train at least two wield styles. Which I would not recommend; for a first playthrough I'd recommend Power Grip, since some really good weapons for that wield style will be dropped for Rush later in the game (Serpent Star, Frostblade, Demonblade)
If not, then those two classes will be skipped and your tier 5 class will be Guardian.

I guess you already know this page, just for reference:
http://lastremnant.wikia.com/wiki/Classes

Btw. level 6 in herbs is approx. at that point where you get Restorative Tincture

To monitor these levels, I recommend you RemnantAssistant (not a trainer):
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/950908-the-last-remnant/71405374

EDIT in response to Stabbey's post:
It's true that you have to be super careful not to become Scout. But even with Lotions instead of Herbs you run the same danger of them becoming significant to qualify for Hunter.

So I'd recommend to disable herbs completely once level 6 has been reached.
Can be reenabled, once the desired class has been achieved.

[Tony]

I really appreciate your responses guys but just for clarification, what do you guys mean by "significant"?

[PinkPаптҥэя]

Originally posted by ;530646080848052988:

I really appreciate your responses guys but just for clarification, what do you guys mean by "significant"?

The wikia says:
"Higher than the average of the other skills in the category"

Categories are Combat, Item & Mystic

In RemnantAssistant (where I provided the link above), significant skills are highlighted in red.

For Guardian it's important that not Items are significant, but STR.

[PinkPаптҥэя]

Oh, and another route you could go with Rush would be Cavalier, much easier to get than Guardian. Just disable Items and enable Remedies.
It's basically the same as Guardian, but without the Power Play Immunity (Critical Hits).
But you gain the Remedies, IMHO this class is still very useful, actually my favourite class for Rush for a first playthrough.

[Tony]

I just downloaded RemnantAssistant, and it says One-Handed 14 and Item Arts/Herbs 5 with Items being significant than mystic. Does this mean if I get herbs to 6 will I become a Guardian? Strength btw is significant (it was highlighted in red)

EDIT Yeah Cavalier sounds good, I'm considering going that class too

[PinkPаптҥэя]

Originally posted by 真実:

I just downloaded RemnantAssistant, and it says One-Handed 14 and Item Arts/Herbs 5 with Items being significant than mystic. Does this mean if I get herbs to 6 will I become a Guardian?

In RemnantAssistant you find tab 'Characters' -> 'Arts Exp/Lvl'
You qualify for an items class (which is exactly what you DON'T want to), if anything in the items column is highlighted red.
So for Guardian, nothing highlighted red should appear in the items column.

[Tony]

That's great because nothing in the item column is highlighted. The only thing highlighted is the weapon type column. My plan is to do exactly what you said, when I get herbs to 6, I'll disable all the herbs art to avoid becoming a scout

[PinkPаптҥэя]

Originally posted by 真実:

That's great because nothing in the item column is highlighted. The only thing highlighted is the weapon type column

Then you should be set for Guardian, as soon as you have enough STR.
Just watch that items level carefully, after it has reached level 6, disable herbs until you have achieved your desired class...!

BTW, Guardian (and Cavalier among others) have the [Defender] skill.
It'll give you a 'Strengthen your defenses!' or 'Be our shield!' command.
It's perfect for tanking, but also for healing in case no healing command shows up (unfortunately this happens quite a lot). Just put your healers in position 4&5; they will reassess to healing as soon as the union is at low health.

[Tony]

Thank you a lot pinkpanther, you've helped me a ton, thanks to everyone else who's helped me!