how to beat ludope?

[Maniac]

I thought hannah and hinnah is hard but this ♥♥♥♥er uses his damn galaxy like every second turn and damage all my units for half their life.
im not even able to revive and heal up before he uses it again and then he has 5 squads with him which beat the rest out of me then.

1,2,5 and 6 were so damn easy, 3 and 4 so extremely much harder.

so any tricks i can use to beat this thing?

oh and have you tipps for hannah and hinnah that would be nice too.

[play_time]

Differently built armies result in which base is the most difficult. I have made three runs; in those bases 1, 2 and 3 were "easy". 4 was hardest in one, 5 in another and 6 in the third. More experienced players than me can probably help if you provide info about your army.

I do not hear well, and have wondered if the devs had some fun with having Hannah laughing when a player throws the whole army at Hinnah when that army cannot one turn her. Before the battle, she tells Hannah she doesn't need Hannah to fight with her as she can fight alone. It's a game - send your whole army at Hinnah and see what happens, laugh at the loss and then try another strategy.

Edit: a good army might make the Hinnah battle last forever, or you change strategy mid-battle

[PinkPаптҥэя]

He will cast Galaxy whenever he's being raidlocked. I remember once trying to one-turn him and he threw in Galaxy 3 times in the same turn...
So avoid targeting him like the plague, until you have downed his minions.

Stat wise my guess is that you need like ~15k total HP to survive this battle.
Same for Base 4.

If your total HP is below, I'd suggest to buy some HP boosting accessories (e.g. Bracelet of Glazing in Athlum) and let your units request them.

[LilG]

Take out Ludope's minions first,they're really annoying & it's bad when your entire union takes upto 3 Galaxy's to the face.
What are your unions stats op? It seems a bit low if Ludope is able to take their HP down to half in a turn, I had 5-8k HP for each of my unions & some had the Remnant grade weapons from quests & the bosses in the bases also drop them.

I'm sure I was able to silence his minions using Silence Gas since there's a lot of mystic casters mixed in with him which makes things worse.

The only base battle that I had trouble with was Milton but that's due to his bs ability to instakill units.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by LilG:

Take out Ludope's minions first,they're really annoying & it's bad when your entire union takes upto 3 Galaxy's to the face.
What are your unions stats op? It seems a bit low if Ludope is able to take their HP down to half in a turn, I had 5-8k HP for each of my unions & some had the Remnant grade weapons from quests & the bosses in the bases also drop them.

I'm sure I was able to silence his minions using Silence Gas since there's a lot of mystic casters mixed in with him which makes things worse.

The only base battle that I had trouble with was Milton but that's due to his bs ability to instakill units.

my highest squad has 5.5k hp. the others like 4-5 and one with only 3 units has 2.8

milton was pretty easy because i was hella lucky but i think otherwise it wouldnt be that hard too.
he used like 5 attacks in a row and i was able to block all of them and counterattack so i dealt 150k damage only with counterattack

Originally posted by ꝒinkꝔanther:

He will cast Galaxy whenever he's being raidlocked. I remember once trying to one-turn him and he threw in Galaxy 3 times in the same turn... :virus_suprised:
So avoid targeting him like the plague, until you have downed his minions.

Stat wise my guess is that you need like ~15k total HP to survive this battle.
Same for Base 4.

If your total HP is below, I'd suggest to buy some HP boosting accessories (e.g. Bracelet of Glazing in Athlum) and let your units request them.

okay ill try to engage him when all his troops are down.
You mean overall HP of 15k?

[Maniac]

okay ludope is dead.
didnt even use his galaxy once.
cleaned his troops first and then him.

but now im stuck with the almost imposible hannah and hinnah if there isnt a similar trick.
i order my troops to attack and they use instantly twin petal and take 2 of 4 squads down to 1/4 and 2 of them to half.
and the rest of their troops pretty much kill me then without me having even a chance to react to heal up.

and in the second round hinnah was healed for 90k life.
how should i beat this.
only with all my troops on her alone i would maybe be able to deal more damage than that heal.

edit: wow and im second try today even the normal soldier used blackout 2 which pretty much killed 3 of 4 squads then and the last one left with 100 life.

much too op this enemys

edit2: yea its imposible
what were the devs thinking.
aoe attack on all my troops which wipes out 3/4 of the life on the first turn.
do they expect me to grind for hours so my life on all squads is 9999 so i can survive this?`
not much fun to do

is there a trainer for temporary invincibility so i can get through this fight?

[PinkPаптҥэя]

Originally posted by Maniac:

...they use instantly twin petal and take 2 of 4 squads down to 1/4 and 2 of them to half.

That's absolutely normal in this battle. But only in turns 1, 4, 7, etc.

Originally posted by Maniac:

and the rest of their troops pretty much kill me then without me having even a chance to react to heal up.

Oh yes, you can set your healers to 'Recover your health!' in advance so they heal up the damaged unions instead of attacking right away. Also support arts, like Wards, Potions, etc. make the healers in that union reassess to healing if needed.
And there's the 'Defend!' command some classes are adding. Place your healers in slot 4/5 so they will reassess to healing as soon as they are damaged.

Originally posted by Maniac:

and in the second round hinnah was healed for 90k life.

Read http://lastremnant.wikia.com/wiki/Base_4
for details about how these bosses behave.

Originally posted by Maniac:

do they expect me to grind for hours so my life on all squads is 9999 so i can survive this?`

No, as I said, 15k overall HP should be sufficient.

Originally posted by Maniac:

is there a trainer for temporary invincibility so i can get through this fight?

Yes, you could use TLRPlanner, TLR_EE or other trainers to fix this battle for you. But I don't think that will do you a favor. The bases are just the beginning of more tough battles to come and I have the impression that you still need to learn a bit about the possibilities of the battle system.

[SenMithrarin85]

Originally posted by Maniac:

okay ludope is dead.
didnt even use his galaxy once.
cleaned his troops first and then him.

but now im stuck with the almost imposible hannah and hinnah if there isnt a similar trick.
i order my troops to attack and they use instantly twin petal and take 2 of 4 squads down to 1/4 and 2 of them to half.
and the rest of their troops pretty much kill me then without me having even a chance to react to heal up.

and in the second round hinnah was healed for 90k life.
how should i beat this.
only with all my troops on her alone i would maybe be able to deal more damage than that heal.

edit: wow and im second try today even the normal soldier used blackout 2 which pretty much killed 3 of 4 squads then and the last one left with 100 life.

much too op this enemys

edit2: yea its imposible
what were the devs thinking.
aoe attack on all my troops which wipes out 3/4 of the life on the first turn.
do they expect me to grind for hours so my life on all squads is 9999 so i can survive this?`
not much fun to do

is there a trainer for temporary invincibility so i can get through this fight?

the twins use snowpetal every 2 turns after the initial one, so you can plan for it. as pink said, focus on hp regeneration. a scout with advanced herb arts or a healer with revitalize will help tremendously. even restore is enough if the user's INT is high enough (pagus, rhagoh, irina etc) take out hannah first since she will heal hinnah otherwise.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by SenMithrarin85:

Originally posted by Maniac:

okay ludope is dead.
didnt even use his galaxy once.
cleaned his troops first and then him.

but now im stuck with the almost imposible hannah and hinnah if there isnt a similar trick.
i order my troops to attack and they use instantly twin petal and take 2 of 4 squads down to 1/4 and 2 of them to half.
and the rest of their troops pretty much kill me then without me having even a chance to react to heal up.

and in the second round hinnah was healed for 90k life.
how should i beat this.
only with all my troops on her alone i would maybe be able to deal more damage than that heal.

edit: wow and im second try today even the normal soldier used blackout 2 which pretty much killed 3 of 4 squads then and the last one left with 100 life.

much too op this enemys

edit2: yea its imposible
what were the devs thinking.
aoe attack on all my troops which wipes out 3/4 of the life on the first turn.
do they expect me to grind for hours so my life on all squads is 9999 so i can survive this?`
not much fun to do

is there a trainer for temporary invincibility so i can get through this fight?

the twins use snowpetal every 2 turns after the initial one, so you can plan for it. as pink said, focus on hp regeneration. a scout with advanced herb arts or a healer with revitalize will help tremendously. even restore is enough if the user's INT is high enough (pagus, rhagoh, irina etc) take out hannah first since she will heal hinnah otherwise.

yea i finally made this fight with a lot luck.

put all squads who could on the first turn on heal.
gave some raidlocks after but at least everyone survived the first round.
on the second David was able to cast blackout then which killed all troops which made the fight 60% less dangerous.

Then i just kept 2 squads attacking and 2 for healing.

good the cyclops fight after wasnt that hard. would be pretty pissed to do this once more.
Didnt know there would be another fight after without the chance to save otherwise i would have chosen an easy fight as last one.

[Maniac]

wow and now i even loose at side quests.
the one from nora with the 4 bosses.
not even gae bolg was able to kill even 1 squad.
i really must be hella underpowered if im not even able to win a fight in a side quest.

till 6 bases everything was not that hard beside a few fights.
but now the difficulty has increased like 400%

[PinkPаптҥэя]

Originally posted by Maniac:

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Then i just kept 2 squads attacking and 2 for healing.

That's how you do it!

Originally posted by Maniac:

wow and now i even loose at side quests.
the one from nora with the 4 bosses.
not even gae bolg was able to kill even 1 squad.
i really must be hella underpowered if im not even able to win a fight in a side quest.

till 6 bases everything was not that hard beside a few fights.
but now the difficulty has increased like 400%

The Nora SQ is one of the most difficult battles in the game, so I usually keep that for later.
Can be manageable early if you happen to trigger field wiping arts though.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by ꝒinkꝔanther:

Originally posted by Maniac:

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Then i just kept 2 squads attacking and 2 for healing.

That's how you do it! :thumbs:

Originally posted by Maniac:

wow and now i even loose at side quests.
the one from nora with the 4 bosses.
not even gae bolg was able to kill even 1 squad.
i really must be hella underpowered if im not even able to win a fight in a side quest.

till 6 bases everything was not that hard beside a few fights.
but now the difficulty has increased like 400%

The Nora SQ is one of the most difficult battles in the game, so I usually keep that for later.
Can be manageable early if you happen to trigger field wiping arts though.

ah okay. i was pretty surprised the gae bolg was not even able to kill the non boss enemys but in this case i think its normal.

[SenMithrarin85]

Originally posted by Maniac:

Originally posted by ꝒinkꝔanther:

That's how you do it! :thumbs:

The Nora SQ is one of the most difficult battles in the game, so I usually keep that for later.
Can be manageable early if you happen to trigger field wiping arts though.

ah okay. i was pretty surprised the gae bolg was not even able to kill the non boss enemys but in this case i think its normal.

ladies of the bloody alice is not for the faint hearted :P

[play_time]

@Maniac

Would you be willing to share your game save at/near the point you tried Nora's SQ? There is curiosity on my part that your team might be able to take down the quest. Possibly beating it with your team goes way beyond what is reasonable to expect of a player on a first play through - you did it properly as ꝒinkꝔanther pointed out; taking it down with what I am thinking is about learning to use a weaker army in a battle; still might not be possible. In addition to what you have really come to realize about strategy vs raw strength in this game:

Originally posted by Maniac:

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Then i just kept 2 squads attacking and 2 for healing.
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what I am looking at also requires some understanding of Formations, and of what order/how to approach the enemy unions in some battles.

thanks!

[Maniac]

i dont know muhc about formation.
I know this game is pretty complicated with the amount of soldiers, classes, formations, skill and so on and i guess i only know the basics and not much in depth stuff.

[play_time]

At this point, you have enough to learn without getting into formation usage for what I am thinking. You have to learn the basics before getting into the other stuff - you made a big move forward in your learning today beating the Twins. Do not worry about the extra complications at this point - learning that comes by playing the game. If you have read ꝒinkꝔanther's guide and use it, you will go a long way to learning basics for moving on for more complex things later. There is nothing for you to do with what I am thinking - just a request I made for me to try your game. I learned a strategy for dealing with Nora's SQ from an advanced player who knew about my army's units at that time, and was (correctly) certain my army could handle the SQ when I thought not; I was at a stage ready to start advancing into formation usage. On our first couple runs, I suspect most of us go cross-eyed trying to read and understand the formations table on the Wiki.