Megghi님이 먼저 게시:

Same ramps with different timers don't make a new design.

Super League isn't a new table, but it certainly doesn't take from anything.

Given your statement, you must not like the direction Stern took with their designs from 2009 onward:

Star Trek: shares the shot map with ST:TNG
Led Zeppelin: combines the shot map between Star Trek & AC/DC
Guardians of the Galaxy: shares the shot map with Metallica
Batman 66: shares the shot map with Dark Knight
Aerosmith: shares the shot map with KISS
Beatles: recycles Seawitch
Rush: shares the shot map with X-Men
Iron Man: shares the shot map with Austin Powers
NBA: shares the shot map with Space Jam

...not to mention the countless times Stern recycled the 4-bumper layout on the left side.

Face it, that's how pinball has been for the past 2-3 decades.

Pinballwiz45b님이 먼저 게시:

Megghi님이 먼저 게시:

Same ramps with different timers don't make a new design.

Super League isn't a new table, but it certainly doesn't take from anything.

Given your statement, you must not like the direction Stern took with their designs from 2009 onward:

Star Trek: shares the shot map with ST:TNG
Led Zeppelin: combines the shot map between Star Trek & AC/DC
Guardians of the Galaxy: shares the shot map with Metallica
Batman 66: shares the shot map with Dark Knight
Aerosmith: shares the shot map with KISS
Beatles: recycles Seawitch
Rush: shares the shot map with X-Men
Iron Man: shares the shot map with Austin Powers
NBA: shares the shot map with Space Jam

...not to mention the countless times Stern recycled the 4-bumper layout on the left side.

Face it, that's how pinball has been for the past 2-3 decades.

If it ain't broke, why fix it?

Pinballwiz45b님이 먼저 게시:

♥Martii♥님이 먼저 게시:

this was a good table on fx2, its also an old table. have you guys just forgot how to create new things?

Have you forgot people who missed or never had the opportunity to catch tables like this or South Park?

Have you forgot we're also getting Universal TV Classics, Pacific Rim, and Texas Chainsaw Massacre, a total of 5 new tables?

and yet old tables are released over and over

one thing i haven't forgot is that you are a zen studios shill, youre also the only member in the community i have blocked for that very reason. someone who spends all day responding to every legitimate negative point anyone has for Zen with tired and many times false information, like the rant you went on at me the other week with 4 or 5 falsehoods. so do you remember how much the studio pays you?

lomaxgnome님이 먼저 게시:

Those of us who have been Pinball FX customers for over a decade now were forced to tolerate them pivoting to remaking real life tables even though that obviously wasn't what we were here for. Maybe there's more of you Williams fans left now than the originals but it's only because Zen has driven away their original fans with dumb decision after dumb decision.

this tbh. i picked up zen pinball, FX (Original) and zen pinball 2 for the zen tables. then with each game after it becomes more and more focused on real world tables... like the far superior visual pinball x apparently just doesnt exist to these people. sorry if your selling a product it better be far FAR better than anything that does the same thing as you do for free....

... thats "Visual Pinball X", might be something to do.... say.... a google search on, if anyone has never heard of it.... know what i mean. then perhaps losing some users might kick Zen deep enough is the behind and the wallet for them to start refocusing on making a good game again?

♥Martii♥님이 먼저 게시:

and yet old tables are released over and over

one thing i haven't forgot is that you are a zen studios shill, youre also the only member in the community i have blocked for that very reason. someone who spends all day responding to every legitimate negative point anyone has for Zen with tired and many times false information, like the rant you went on at me the other week with 4 or 5 falsehoods. so do you remember how much the studio pays you?

So if Police Force released on Pinball FX, it's an "old table" solely because it released on the Atari Lynx decades prior. Yeah, I don't buy it.

What if those negative points are outright false? I know how much money Zen pays me in cash, it's $0. I'm not employed at Zen, since they don't look for people to work for them officially in the US. I wrote that guide out of my own will; they wouldn't have let me throw in pricing and some of these situations otherwise.

I do get things wrong on occasion, but this time it's you. I'll lay them out for you one by one:

First, your history of the FX and Zen series, the reason why we (as in, you and I) are in this situation. You claim Zen Pinball on the PS3 and mobile released before Pinball FX 1 on the Xbox 360, which is wrong. I have the receipts from many sources, avoiding Wikipedia since it's something anyone can edit and is thus an unreliable source. I deleted those comments to save you from looking like a fool for getting this wrong and doubling down.

https://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Pinball-FX/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410834

https://web.archive.org/web/20100317123529/http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/games/media/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410834

https://www.ign.com/games/pinball-fx-2007

https://www.ign.com/articles/2008/07/11/strap-yourself-in-for-zen-pinball-rollercoaster-powering-to-the-apple-iphone-3g-and-ipod-touch

https://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/review/Zen_Pinball_Inferno/

https://www.ign.com/games/zen-pinball-2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om2SJnegtVY

Second, no table transfers between ANY game? Also false. As an FX2 player who has proof of purchase for many tables, I have the receipts. I also know exactly how Zen transferred tables here, and all it took was digging through SteamDB's pool of FX2 releases. Zen has long provided transfers in other areas as well; other players (including you) can attest to this. You may complain about lack of transfers between FX3 to FX all you like, as do many, but the main argument at the start of the paragraph is ridiculous.

Now, if you were expecting transfers from something like PS3 to PC, that issue is out of Zen's and MANY other developers' hands, outside of pinball. It's a tale as old as time. You want games to be cross-purchase between platforms? Take it up with Valve and Playstation.

Third, licensing. Ask yourself, why is Marvel not included in the Pinball Pass, but Star Wars is, even though they're both under Disney? What about the other FX2 tables that didn't make the leap to FX3? Third parties can 100% be a factor in these decisions. It's why Christopher Lloyd isn't seen on Pinball Arcade's Addams Family, Zen's Back to the Future, and Zen's Addams Family. That's one notable example.

Fourth, The Getaway questline. It's possible, and I have the receipts. I cleared it with the full 3 bumpers a handful of times. Though, would I recommend a lower requirement such that others can make it? Absolutely. I built a Master List not solely as a critique against Zen, but also as a resource they can use to make this game better. Again, out of my own will. I did this before with Pinball Arcade. Many of the reports are genuine and issues that I and others ran across.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OipN3pMwiA06_SPkkcTtQcz1dhziqLE_3y6U3O5YguQ/edit#gid=1094068762

I'm no Zen shill; I'm standing up to your arguments. There are others who are unapologetic fanboys, who are of absolutely no help, that I have blocked. Me, however, I enjoy the game of pinball no matter where I go, and I want to clarify however I can.

This and Doom are my favourite Zen designed Tables.

We only need the bethesda pack back into FX

1ht9bAqTRz6u님이 먼저 게시:

Pinballwiz45b님이 먼저 게시:

Moving the goalposts. Another classic sign of childish behavior.

TheMole is right. Put yourself in the shoes of those who wanted more originals during the FX3 Williams run.

It's getting close to a year with no Williams. Most people come to Pinball FX for the real tables. Bad business.

They have the sales numbers and know the licensing fees and development cost, going a year without Williams tables seems much more like a clear indication that getting into the Williams business in the first place was bad business. There's plenty of competition in that market, the only competition in the market for their custom tables is the prior versions. Considering all the drama that has gone on with game company cuts including the owners of Zen frankly we're lucky they still exist at all. And one would assume right now they're focusing on what they believe will be the most profitable. Saying "most people want such and such" with absolutely no data to base that on is just trolling.

I still love it !! This one is actually better with 'realistic' physics in my opinion. I played it a few times now and I really enjoyed it. It is a shame the old teams aren't there but that is not the fault of ZEN that's just licensing shenanigans.

OMG - Dreams come true!!!