New Williams tables?

[Takise]

Any news on the 6 Williams tables announced for this year?

[Pinballwiz45b]

p1nbal1 の投稿を引用：

Numbers, Numbers, Numbers… Farsight was on a roll with real pinball machines… Elvira, Pinbot, Jackbot, Terminator 2, Dr Who, Judge Dredd, High Speed 1, Cactus Canyon, Scared Stiff, Dracula, Xenon, Centaur, Indy 500, just wish they had the license a bit longer so the full library made it to Switch. And the PS5 upgrade to all these would have been epic.

Removed redundant Sterns.

They did release to the Switch with all the Williams and Bally tables included. Within a few hours, it was pulled, and later returned without them. Safe to say, it was Williams who said "no, you can't do that".

4 per year. 10 per year during the FX3 Williams run is not sustainable and very prone to burnout.

[lokiss88]

p1nbal1 の投稿を引用：

Would be awesome if Zen made a view mode of their fantasy tables that looked like a sim/real world look. So you could have both, fantasy mode and sim mode.

Yeah like a lot of the Zaccaria remake tables.

[Homer Pimpson]

lokiss88 の投稿を引用：

p1nbal1 の投稿を引用：

Would be awesome if Zen made a view mode of their fantasy tables that looked like a sim/real world look. So you could have both, fantasy mode and sim mode.

Yeah like a lot of the Zaccaria remake tables.

i just want real tables recreated. easy.

[p1nbal1]

Pinballwiz45b の投稿を引用：

p1nbal1 の投稿を引用：

Numbers, Numbers, Numbers… Farsight was on a roll with real pinball machines… Elvira, Pinbot, Jackbot, Terminator 2, Dr Who, Judge Dredd, High Speed 1, Cactus Canyon, Scared Stiff, Dracula, Xenon, Centaur, Indy 500, just wish they had the license a bit longer so the full library made it to Switch. And the PS5 upgrade to all these would have been epic.

Removed redundant Sterns.

They did release to the Switch with all the Williams and Bally tables included. Within a few hours, it was pulled, and later returned without them. Safe to say, it was Williams who said "no, you can't do that".

4 per year. 10 per year during the FX3 Williams run is not sustainable and very prone to burnout.

Do you know if people that bought them in time were able to keep them? I remember they were pulled before I got home.

The two I am looking for are Pinbot and Highspeed, hopefully Zen can get to these eventually.

[Pinballwiz45b]

p1nbal1 の投稿を引用：

Do you know if people that bought them in time were able to keep them? I remember they were pulled before I got home.

The two I am looking for are Pinbot and Highspeed, hopefully Zen can get to these eventually.

Like Pinball FX2 that was delisted before, yes, players who previously bought WMS tables were able to keep them.

[MikeFulton]

Pinballwiz45b の投稿を引用：

mfulton の投稿を引用：

Farsight released 100 tables for Pinball Arcade )FPA) over a period of about 6 years starting in 2012. This includes both EM and SS style tables as follows:

* 61 Bally & Williams tables
* 13 Stern tables.
* 24 Gottlieb tables.
* 1 Williams/Farsight table (Doctor Who)

Pinball Hall of Fame would like a word with you. 12 of the 61 WMS tables are duplicates, likewise with 8 Gottliebs.

Farsight averages 6.1 WMS tables in their 10-year license, since PHOF Williams released in 2008. However, they built 8 tables prior to that in 2007 and would have performed worse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkuSeeagnrE

Between 2012 and 2018, they average 8 tables per year, not counting duplicates. This is only them prioritizing recreations, and even they had off seasons with loads of non-WMS games.

With 32 WMS tables, Zen averages 5.2 tables per year, from October 2018 to December 2024 (6.17 years). Not too far off from Farsight.

mfulton の投稿を引用：

Zen has done approximately 135 tables since the original Xbox release in 2007. 32 of those are Bally/Williams including the 3 upcoming just announced. The remainder are Zen original designs.

It's a lot more than that. Counting all possible releases and non-duplicates not including FX1 and Zen mobile, the library is more like 159 tables. We'll have 130 tables in FX, plus the 6 from M, plus the 19 remaining in FX3, plus 4 more left in FX2 (PVZ, Ms. Splosion Man, Ninja Gaiden, and Street Fighter II). Williams is still 20% of the library, similar to FX3.

Sounds like you're really going out of your way to pad trhe numbers.

The game shown in your video is Pinball Hall of Fame: The Williams Collection a game published by Crave Entertainment in 1997 for PSP, PS2, and Wii. Farsight was the developer. There were 8 Williams tables included. There was also Pinball Hall of Fame: The Gottlieb Collection also from Crave and developed by Farsight.

When Crave went out of business in 2012. Farsight created Pinball Arcade and published it themselves, adding a variety of new platforms including Windows.

So, yes, Farsight did create some tables before 2012 - going back to 2007 - but they were for a different product.

For FPA, I suspect that Farsight started with the table definitions from the "Hall of Fame" releases, which was probably not strictly allowed under their agreement with Crave, but Crave was gone by then and I don't see why anyone would care.

When you're talking about "duplicate" tables I suspect you're referring to the various tables included in Crave's "Hall of Fame" releases that later came out in FPA. If that's the case, I have to disagree about the concept of "duplicate" being applicable in this context.

When I said there were 14 Gottlieb tables in FPA, I got hat number by counting them. If some of those tables were in Crave's "Hall of Fame" release, it doesn't change the number for FPA.

If you're counting such tables twice for the sake of the "tables per year" figure, then you have to consider that tweaking an existing table definition to work with FPA isn't really the same as creating it from scratch.

[MikeFulton]

p1nbal1 の投稿を引用：

Pinballwiz45b の投稿を引用：

Removed redundant Sterns.

They did release to the Switch with all the Williams and Bally tables included. Within a few hours, it was pulled, and later returned without them. Safe to say, it was Williams who said "no, you can't do that".

4 per year. 10 per year during the FX3 Williams run is not sustainable and very prone to burnout.

Do you know if people that bought them in time were able to keep them? I remember they were pulled before I got home.

The two I am looking for are Pinbot and Highspeed, hopefully Zen can get to these eventually.

I have 43 of the 61 tables that FPA had before they were pulled, and I still play some of them often.

[dave950lam]

My guess on the tables are Black Knight 2000, Taxi, and Earthshaker. I pleasant surprise would be Truck Stop, and if I tried thinking like Zen, One of the tables would be either Bad Cats or Mousin Around.

[dave950lam]

Do you know if people that bought them in time were able to keep them? I remember they were pulled before I got home.

Yes, if you bought them, you'll have them.

[Pinballwiz45b]

mfulton の投稿を引用：

When you're talking about "duplicate" tables I suspect you're referring to the various tables included in Crave's "Hall of Fame" releases that later came out in FPA. If that's the case, I have to disagree about the concept of "duplicate" being applicable in this context.

When I said there were 14 Gottlieb tables in FPA, I got hat number by counting them. If some of those tables were in Crave's "Hall of Fame" release, it doesn't change the number for FPA.

If you're counting such tables twice for the sake of the "tables per year" figure, then you have to consider that tweaking an existing table definition to work with FPA isn't really the same as creating it from scratch.

Newsflash: Crave published TPA on the Xbox 360 before going bankrupt. That's how that fiasco started with that console not getting tables since Monster Bash, until Addams Family.

They're in the same engine, so yes, they're mostly the same assets from PHOF onto TPA. I know this because it's the same ROM emulation tech seen from PHOF:TWC on the 360 and PS3. It took less work for them to do for the first two seasons, and by Season 3, it was one table per month instead of two.

Crave publishing the PHOF series doesn't make any difference; it's the same developer using the same engine for Pinball Arcade, just like how Microsoft Studios published FX2 before Zen self-published FX3 going foward.

[Takise]

This is probably the worst year for Williams fans, personally I have already lost hope for the future.
It's a shame that the license is sitting on the shelf and gathering dust.
Maybe someone will finally buy this company and breathe life into it.

Personally I am not interested in Zen originals, I played a bit of Pinball M and it was cool but I quickly lost interest.

Sooner or later Stern will wake up and enter its own digital platform...which is what I wish for myself and the others.

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Pinballwiz45b の投稿を引用：

mfulton の投稿を引用：

When you're talking about "duplicate" tables I suspect you're referring to the various tables included in Crave's "Hall of Fame" releases that later came out in FPA. If that's the case, I have to disagree about the concept of "duplicate" being applicable in this context.

When I said there were 14 Gottlieb tables in FPA, I got hat number by counting them. If some of those tables were in Crave's "Hall of Fame" release, it doesn't change the number for FPA.

If you're counting such tables twice for the sake of the "tables per year" figure, then you have to consider that tweaking an existing table definition to work with FPA isn't really the same as creating it from scratch.

Newsflash: Crave published TPA on the Xbox 360 before going bankrupt. That's how that fiasco started with that console not getting tables since Monster Bash, until Addams Family.

They're in the same engine, so yes, they're mostly the same assets from PHOF onto TPA. I know this because it's the same ROM emulation tech seen from PHOF:TWC on the 360 and PS3. It took less work for them to do for the first two seasons, and by Season 3, it was one table per month instead of two.

Crave publishing the PHOF series doesn't make any difference; it's the same developer using the same engine for Pinball Arcade, just like how Microsoft Studios published FX2 before Zen self-published FX3 going foward.

Newsflash: Zen have fallen asleep with the Williams licence. They promised two packs in 2024, now it's only one (likely repeats of farsights offerings). ♥♥♥♥-a-doodle-doo! It's time to wake up, Zen!

[monochameleon]

... の投稿を引用：

Newsflash: Zen have fallen asleep with the Williams licence. They promised two packs in 2024, now it's only one (likely repeats of farsights offerings). ♥♥♥♥-a-doodle-doo! It's time to wake up, Zen!

I mean, I don't think Zen are too worried. It's worth remembering that they had a successful, long-running product *before* they got the Williams license and started recreating Williams tables.

[Pinballwiz45b]

Takise の投稿を引用：

This is probably the worst year for Williams fans, personally I have already lost hope for the future.

You don't know that. We're getting the same amount as with 2020. 2021 saw absolutely 0 new Williams content.

Someone buying Zen, or Williams? If Zen, way to be four years late to that party. Farsight's not going to take the Williams license back since they had massive layoffs. What are they going to do, restore under half the library? We probably won't see the Kickstarted tables again, and they certainly won't remaster them either.

... の投稿を引用：

Newsflash: Zen have fallen asleep with the Williams licence. They promised two packs in 2024, now it's only one (likely repeats of farsights offerings). ♥♥♥♥-a-doodle-doo! It's time to wake up, Zen!

Newsflash, no they haven't, and I'm making Banzai Run an exception to that rule if they decide to do that. Not many had a chance to pick that up. I know at least one person here on this thread who didn't have a chance to get it during its 3-month tenure. Delays happen for a reason.

[Elthesensai]

Homer Pimpson の投稿を引用：

linne_zen の投稿を引用：

Yes, that one is still planned ;)

I want f14 tomcat more than anything, also would be nice to have high speed, the first one...
maybe you all could also work on monopoly, simpsons, and tmnt, but i'm sure those are more complex to get ahold of... monopoly may be do-able? stern? i dunno.

I would love some of the newer stern tables.