Negative review impact the newcomers decision to play Pinball FX.

[Paraminoz]

I invite my freind to play Pinball FX and need him to start the pinball community but he denied after see the Mixed summary of Steam reviews.

If you are Pinball Lover, please left the positive review. I know you are not like the cons of FX but left the negative review will impact the newcomers decision.

[HorsePin]

Publicado originalmente por Snake:

When you play a table for 5 minutes on both platforms and cannot find any obvious difference in visuals or physics, then you already know the answer concerning whether tables have been remastered or not.

Here we go, more dopey nonsense from you. It is better than FX3, get Daddy to buy you a new machine maybe?

[AndyMcDandyCDN]

It is not "dopey nonsense". Most pinball gamers are not going to have top of the line gaming hardware. Zen would know this if they actually paid any attention to who their customers are.

[HorsePin]

Publicado originalmente por AndyDandyCDN:

It is not "dopey nonsense". Most pinball gamers are not going to have top of the line gaming hardware. Zen would know this if they actually paid any attention to who their customers are.

You don't need top of the line hardware. Wind it down so it looks like FX3?

[HorsePin]

Publicado originalmente por Paraminoz:

I invite my freind to play Pinball FX and need him to start the pinball community but he denied after see the Mixed summary of Steam reviews.

If you are Pinball Lover, please left the positive review. I know you are not like the cons of FX but left the negative review will impact the newcomers decision.

You get a 24 hour pass for most of the games so you don't have to rely on reviews. Most are not reviews they're moaning and whinging.

[Snake]

The issue is volume and accumulation. We're not being asked to re-buy 10 tables. Many people bought everything in FX3. I bought every Williams table and a handful of others.

Even just re-buying Williams from FX3 to FX amounts to around 40 EUR. This is not the kind of money you ask your customers to spend on your "new" product to migrate the exact same content.

I can only speak for the Williams tables, but they are not remastered. I don't much care what marketing nonsense Zen comes up with. Those are the same tables, on the same or worse physics, with some of the same bugs.

You cannot expect people to dole out so much money for this. It just doesn't work this way, simple as that. But I guess Zen either somehow managed to blow all of Epic's money and now needs more, or they have already got all the supposedly expensive pinball licenses people always wanted and are about to release those tables for 12 bucks a pop next year

[Lord Squeak]

When I look at reviews to judge if this might be a game for me, I don't so much look at the ratio of bad/good reviews, because that doesn't tell me anything. Especially not in these times, when manipulating reviews is more or less socially accepted.

What I do is, I read the negative reviews, and look at what they are complaining about.
This is the fastest way to figure out if what people are complaining about is something that would bother me, or not. And to see if issues are being fixed.

[⎛⎝⎛-||-⎞ ⎠⎞]

The neg reviews are primarily from those who are mad that they aren't getting the FX tables for free. So, who cares?

[RAVENROOK]

And I suggest you read my comment. I was referring to 10% that is free. The tables they have that you have to pay for, I already have from Pinball Arcade, mostly the Williams tables. So, obviously, I will not be purchasing them again.

[punchobastardo]

Publicado originalmente por ⎛⎝⎛-||-⎞ ⎠⎞:

The neg reviews are primarily from those who are mad that they aren't getting the FX tables for free. So, who cares?

Those that learn of Zen's practices presenting the same as new, and are afraid it will happen to them in the future as well, plus her/his friend apparently.

On the other hand, why would an EGS shill care for what is happening on Steam or on the Xbox forums? Isn't he satisfied with his version on EGS?

[Sir.Safester]

Publicado originalmente por wleon:

Why give bad reviews for something that is free?

If a restaurant gave you free food but it's taste wasn't to your satisfaction would you give them a positive review? Just because something is free does not mean it's good, a review should reflect the quality of the product whether free or not. Many of us who have come from PFX3 and paid Zen good money for that product feel somewhat cheated that we're being asked to pay for products (unowned tables) that are no different to what we already own.

[laggerific]

I think one thing they could do to add value to these tables from PinballFX3, etc., to highlight the improvements would be to enable simple play in VR. I don't need things flying around me (though, it's fun), when I play pinball...I just want depth in my playfield. Really, I'd be happy with a 3D mode, using a desktop projection.

Of course, I do like the inclusion of Raytracing, and ZEN has been better with transferring tables than they have in the past. At least, I didn't need to rebuy them coming over to Steam.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Publicado originalmente por wleon:

Why give bad reviews for something that is free? I will never understand that.

Huh? You get two free tables. The rest is paid DLC. How is that free? Same with Pinball Arcade. You get one free table, the rest is paid DLC. Same thing goes for FX2 and FX3.

As well as Stern Pinball and Zaccaria Pinball. These aren't free, if you want the full experience or the meat of the game, you have to pay.

Publicado originalmente por wleon:

And I suggest you read my comment. I was referring to 10% that is free. The tables they have that you have to pay for, I already have from Pinball Arcade, mostly the Williams tables. So, obviously, I will not be purchasing them again.

And?
You can't even get the Williams tables in Pinball Arcade anymore. So you what said certainly doesn't apply to everyone. Further, do you remember the price of those Williams tables in Pinball Arcade? There were four packs at $20 or $30 each. No thanks. I don't ever remember them ever going on sale either.

[wilbers]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Huh? You get two free tables. The rest is paid DLC. How is that free? Same with Pinball Arcade. You get one free table, the rest is paid DLC. Same thing goes for FX2 and FX3.

3 free tables, and a free 24 hour pinball pass that can be used to try most of the others.

[Sir.Safester]

Publicado originalmente por Takise:

I wonder what You all so actively participating in this discussion would say, if Zen did not share any tables from previous editions in FX? If they just released new tables for new platform. Without being offensive, this discussion makes no sense to me. If you don't want to pay, keep playing FX3 and buy just new tables in FX. Doesn't that seem like a logical solution?

Your argument is weak. We will do exactly that, only buy the new tables and continue playing the existing tables in PFX3, it makes no difference to us. You're not thinking like Zen. If they only used PFX for new tables then they would potentially lose out on money selling the legacy tables, particularly to any new pinball players who do not own PFX3.

EDIT: Zen do not 'share' tables from previous FX editions, they resell them.

[Thordred]

Publicado originalmente por Paraminoz:

I invite my freind to play Pinball FX and need him to start the pinball community but he denied after see the Mixed summary of Steam reviews.

If you are Pinball Lover, please left the positive review. I know you are not like the cons of FX but left the negative review will impact the newcomers decision.

I doubt that "mixed" reviews for one specific game would deter someone from playing a whole genre of games. Does your friend play for example Zaccaria Pinball which has "very positive" reviews (or any of the other pinball games with positive reviews)? Maybe he/she is just not interested in pinball games?