what is the difference between fx 3 and new FX?

[TEITANBLOOD]

anything that is noteworthy in the gameplay or visuals department?

[TEITANBLOOD]

lets say i get the monster bash table here.. what is the difference between fx3 monster bash and this one?

[Matt Beeching]

You had to pick Monster Bash - I prefer the FX3 version! I generally prefer the Williams PFX versions in terms of physics, visuals and particularly HDR. However I'm not sold on ray-tracing in PFX at the moment as it's already significantly more demanding than FX3.

If I had to single out a Williams table for comparison I'd suggest Tales of the Arabian Nights, the FX3 version is antiquated and hard to go back. (No Good Gofers and Safecracker are other good visual references).

[Jambon Emmental]

Originally posted by Matt Beeching:

You had to pick Monster Bash - I prefer the FX3 version! I generally prefer the Williams PFX versions in terms of physics, visuals and particularly HDR. However I'm not sold on ray-tracing in PFX at the moment as it's already significantly more demanding than FX3.

If I had to single out a Williams table for comparison I'd suggest Tales of the Arabian Nights, the FX3 version is antiquated and hard to go back.

What's the issue with the FX version of Monster Bash pls? Is it the new physics not working as well with that particular table layout? Monster Bash is the table i used to play in the pub years ago so it has a special place in my heart.

[Matt Beeching]

Originally posted by Jambon Emmental:

Originally posted by Matt Beeching:

You had to pick Monster Bash - I prefer the FX3 version! I generally prefer the Williams PFX versions in terms of physics, visuals and particularly HDR. However I'm not sold on ray-tracing in PFX at the moment as it's already significantly more demanding than FX3.

If I had to single out a Williams table for comparison I'd suggest Tales of the Arabian Nights, the FX3 version is antiquated and hard to go back.

What's the issue with the FX version of Monster Bash pls? Is it the new physics not working as well with that particular table layout? Monster Bash is the table i used to play in the pub years ago so it has a special place in my heart.

I don't enjoy the physics / ball behaviour, particularly returns off the right orbit. I'd take FX3: Single Player / Classic / Tournament any day over PFX on that one.

[marcdukette]

To the OP, the difference is poorer graphics, worse physics, horrible latency, and about 50% less performance than FX3 on the same hardware. On the upside if you have a $2K+ PC or better you can turn on RTX+HDR and drop your framerate another 50% for oversaturated colors(not HDR) and raytracing even I can't see on a 55" 4k HDR 120hz display. Oh and the button mapping is useless and the UI is a giant add to buy more stuff. I have Indiana Jones on both FX3 and FX(it was inn last months humble bundle) and I will stick to playing it on FX3

[Chelle]

I don't know what the above post is?
I have had no issues whatsoever and the graphical finesse of this newer version is like night and day compared to the older one.

The physics are much more realistic / not by far perfect in some games admittedly' but nonetheless less hand holding.
Getting a good or even a reasonable score shall not happen easily on this newer version.

They were and are difficult tables.
Whilst no simulation can of course replicate the real deal there is only so much towards that goal that can be reasonably expected.
I have had only a few noticeable micro pauses on some games but was not repeatable.
I have encountered thus far no flipper lag.

I have both versions back installed ( I owned all of the earlier FX3 and don't really wish to play the Zen tables or pay again.

That being said 'if' a good deal befalls later in the glory of time I shall indeed purchase them all.

My main games are all of the original Williams/Bally etc.

Below are my own play settings for anyone remotely interested.
CPU I9 9900k
RTX 3080 (12 gb version).
64 gb DDR4
Monitor is an ultra wide at 120fps.

On Windows 11.

I play the game on maximum settings all on in 1440p ultra.

[FoxyLoxy]

Originally posted by Chelle:

I don't know what the above post is?
I have had no issues whatsoever and the graphical finesse of this newer version is like night and day compared to the older one.

Given that you're fortunate to be playing on a 3080 with an i9 9900 and 64GB, one would one hope that you are seeing some improvement over FX3...

Would you mind posting some before/after video to YouTube for us to compare?

There are a few such videos on YouTube but none of them show this "night and day" difference. Most videos of PFX that I've seen show relatively small differences. After all, PFX3 was a good looking game already, and I think Pinball FX has always been a considerable technical achievement ever since the 360 and PS3.

For example, The Empire Strikes Back table looks marginally better on PFX. There are some lighting differences, and the shield ramp translucency looks a bit worse now, but overall it's much of a muchness. There's no "wow" kind of difference.

[[Vampire]]

I'm not going to say anything, I have a configuration above that mentioned, I'm still going to be treated like a clown on almost every one of my messages !

And to get an idea of the differences between FX and FX3 there is plenty to read on this forum and many videos on youtube to graphically compare the game.

Even with the best of configurations, if you activate the RT in 4K you have to wait for the next generation of graphics card and processor.
Yes the game is very well optimized.
While Cyberpunk 2077 runs entirely in 4K with all parameters at max on this same configuration.
I was even told that it was not comparable, surely Cyberpunk 2077 requires much less resources than a pinball simulation.

[⎛⎝⎛-||-⎞ ⎠⎞]

Running great at 1440p (HDR, DLSS ultra quality, no RTX) here on my very mid range RTX 3060ti. Looks wonderful too. The new lighting with HDR really pops. And the physics are much better than FX3 across the board.

Loving it! And looking forward to the Star Trek table.

[Chelle]

Originally posted by FoxyLoxy:

Originally posted by Chelle:

I don't know what the above post is?
I have had no issues whatsoever and the graphical finesse of this newer version is like night and day compared to the older one.

Given that you're fortunate to be playing on a 3080 with an i9 9900 and 64GB, one would one hope that you are seeing some improvement over FX3...

Would you mind posting some before/after video to YouTube for us to compare?

There are a few such videos on YouTube but none of them show this "night and day" difference. Most videos of PFX that I've seen show relatively small differences. After all, PFX3 was a good looking game already, and I think Pinball FX has always been a considerable technical achievement ever since the 360 and PS3.

For example, The Empire Strikes Back table looks marginally better on PFX. There are some lighting differences, and the shield ramp translucency looks a bit worse now, but overall it's much of a muchness. There's no "wow" kind of difference.

No sorry my life is genuinely too busy ( photographic restoration Wildlife/nature etc Spring nearly upon me here in Tasmania.
There are I have seen a substantial number of videos online that show clearly the differences.
Whilst I cannot obviously predict what 'everyone' will be able to see 'graphically wise re settings' It is clearly night and day.

And I shall add that also reflects with regards the physics.

Admittedly much more difficult on this newer version or rather more realistic.
I enjoy both versions the newer one for more of a challenge.

Graphically using maximum settings for myself the difference on the Williams tables and such is blatantly obvious. The others perhaps not so in your face.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

I would suggest just playing the trials on all tables and deciding for yourself.

[FoxyLoxy]

Originally posted by Chelle:

There are a few such videos on YouTube but none of them show this "night and day" difference.

It's strange that no videos show this stark difference, after all these months.

I mean, there's no shortage of PFX videos out there now. People are streaming and posting videos every week.

But for some reason your experience of PFX is vastly different from all those videos.

You have the time to repeatedly correct people about their views on PFX's visual quality, but not the time to provide evidence for your claims.

Maybe you do have a better experience with PFX. Who knows? But at the very least, it seems that your "night and day" experience is not shared by everyone...

[adamdns]

Originally posted by TEITANBLOOD:

anything that is noteworthy in the gameplay or visuals department?

Hey TEITANBLOOD, thank you for your interest! There are basically new graphics and a new physics engine in Pinball FX, but it's worth trying out the new game for yourself because 3 tables are immediately free, and there are a bunch of new tables compared to the previous game, including a bunch of Williams and new Zen Originals. The game will be constantly growing in the future, so check it out!

[Chelle]

Originally posted by FoxyLoxy:

Originally posted by Chelle:

There are a few such videos on YouTube but none of them show this "night and day" difference.

It's strange that no videos show this stark difference, after all these months.

I mean, there's no shortage of PFX videos out there now. People are streaming and posting videos every week.

But for some reason your experience of PFX is vastly different from all those videos.

You have the time to repeatedly correct people about their views on PFX's visual quality, but not the time to provide evidence for your claims.

Maybe you do have a better experience with PFX. Who knows? But at the very least, it seems that your "night and day" experience is not shared by everyone...

You have a problem and assuredly a communication one.
I had previously blocked you and had forgotten why, I'm reminded.
This is my final post to you there will be no further.

[Jambon Emmental]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝⎛-||-⎞ ⎠⎞:

Running great at 1440p (HDR, DLSS ultra quality, no RTX) here on my very mid range RTX 3060ti. Looks wonderful too. The new lighting with HDR really pops. And the physics are much better than FX3 across the board.

Loving it! And looking forward to the Star Trek table.

Stupid question sorry but is it better to turn off RTX then? I have the same graphics card and a 1440p monitor. Runs ok on mine with RTX on, though I can't notice much of a difference visually so is it just better in terms of efficiency/power use to leave it off?