Disposition when rolling a riven mod

[gershken]

I have been playing for while just never really bothered with rivens because every riven I got was for weapons that I just didn't like.

I got a riven Tigris mod and wanted to see if I could get something good out of it so I tried using the riven calculator website but it kept telling me that Tigris has a dispo of 4 but in game it is 3, that is because the mod re-roll menu for riven mods showed me Tigris prime as the only weapon I could slot it into since I sold my regular Tigris years ago.

My question to people who saved the different weapon variants is : if I were to build the regular Tigris again and roll the mod some more would the stats on the mod increase or would me putting it into the dispo 4 variant of the weapon buff it and putting it into dispo 3 variant nerf it, and if it is the latter why do non of the websites about riven trading and calculations have the Tigris prime/sancti as a separate option.

Is it just because Tigris is old and nobody cares or that a single point of disposition rating is actually that impactfull that using a variant of a weapon with lowered disposition is just considered pointless.

[croquemorttime]

Hi,

AFAIK the version of tigris you own for rolling does not matter : the stats will adjust to the weapon you are puting it on after anyway.

Quoting from the devs

Originally posted by author:

Although Rivens can be equipped to an entire “weapon family”, Dispositions are given to each individual weapon. You can equip the same Riven Mod onto Braton, Braton Prime and Braton Vandal, but the stats of the Riven may differ slightly depending on which weapon you are modding.

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1303780-riven-disposition-guidelines

[jonnin]

you have to look at it in the weapon you want to use it in. The buffs on the mod are fixed, but its power level varies, so 20% in this gun 15% in that gun stuff is going on. Rerolls will behave the same way... the mod has what it has, but when installed, its moved up or down in power based off THAT version of the gun's disposition.

Disposition changes. Every 3 months or so they roll up usage stats and reapply them. I don't know if there is a delay and how long that might be after it changes for sites to update the values.

Kuva is mildly annoying to get, not 'hard' but a chore, so wasting it on a gun you don't use a LOT may be a bad move.

[gershken]

I have about 415k kuva saved up because it has no other uses other than rivens.

I knew about the every 3 months disposition change, most confusing part of all this to me was why even bother lowering the riven disposition for a weapon as far as I know no one uses anymore and only by 1 point for both variants of it.

After looking at the wiki I realized that most if not all prime variants of weapons have a lowered disposition, so for anyone who would want to use the riven calculator website you would also need the base version of the weapon because you can't manually input the disposition in the website and I'm not sure if the buff formula for riven would let me calculate the change in stats simply by multiplying my stats by 1.05 and then by 1.15 to see what stats would the riven mod give me on a disposition 4 weapon.

Also why non of the third party sites have the different variants as separate entities since they do have a different disposition, I'm aware no one can really know the answer to that other than the dev. Correction there is a different riven calculator site that I simply ignored when I first searched for them so all of this was pointless, man this feet like playing Warframe without playing Warframe.

[Moby The Duck]

Its been more than one year since they last reduced the disposition of a weapon.
The Kuva Tonkor, Balla Zaw, Cerata and Ripkas had some small nerfs March 2023.

Every new weapon starts at the lowest disposition and they slowly increase it over the months until it stabilizes.
Not even the addition of Incarnons reduced the disposition of the weapons.

[FubarOne]

DE has stated that they won't be lowering dispositions unless a weapon gets really out of hand, and that apparently hasn't happened in the last year.

As for the disparity between a normal weapon and its prime version, typically prime weapons have way better base stats than their normal counterpart, and also better than non-prime variants like vandal, prisma, wraith, etc. This usually means slightly to significantly lower disposition, but even with the lower stats on the riven ends up being a lot stronger than the normal version.

Also the dots displayed for riven disposition in-game are inaccurate to the point of barely being indicative of anything. Disposition is a multiplier to the riven stats ranging from 0.5 to 1.55, and each dot equals around 0.2 of that multiplier, so for instance 3 dots would be around 0.9 to 1.1, which can make a pretty significant difference. The wiki has the actual disposition for each weapon and variant.

Also riven stats are rolled within a range before getting the dispo multiplier, so even rivens for the exact same weapon can vary a lot.

[Sceles]

Disposition is not on the riven it's a multiplier on the weapon itself

[jonnin]

Originally posted by gershken:

I have about 415k kuva saved up because it has no other uses other than rivens.

I knew about the every 3 months disposition change, most confusing part of all this to me was why even bother lowering the riven disposition for a weapon as far as I know no one uses anymore and only by 1 point for both variants of it.

After looking at the wiki I realized that most if not all prime variants of weapons have a lowered disposition, so for anyone who would want to use the riven calculator website you would also need the base version of the weapon because you can't manually input the disposition in the website and I'm not sure if the buff formula for riven would let me calculate the change in stats simply by multiplying my stats by 1.05 and then by 1.15 to see what stats would the riven mod give me on a disposition 4 weapon.

Also why non of the third party sites have the different variants as separate entities since they do have a different disposition, I'm aware no one can really know the answer to that other than the dev. Correction there is a different riven calculator site that I simply ignored when I first searched for them so all of this was pointless, man this feet like playing Warframe without playing Warframe.

Rivens kind of serve a triple purpose, by design or intent or just ghosts in the machine (unintended consequences).
- they bring weak weapons that are not used a lot way, way up. For example I have one on a quartak (sp?) that makes that gun outstanding, whereas without it, its near garbage tier.
- they have multiple effects, which may be required to fit what you need on a gun (eg just a touch of some element damage to get the right type, or nudge it on up to 100% crit chance AND something else rather than a dedicated trash mod like the basic brown crit one)
- they can make top weapons even better

but disposition is there to control the third idea (top weapons better) and reduce that while encouraging the first idea (let players enjoy weak weapons). This is where unintended (or not??) consequences come into it though. Most people play the advanced (prime, prisma, incarnon, whatever) not the base version, so the base versions are grouped as 'less played' and get a disposition bump. In a few weird cases on a particular quarterly roll up, that could be enough to bring the base up to par with the prime(etc) if your riven is really, really good and the disposition between base and advanced model is more than 1 dot apart.

I mean its still guesswork as to how much was intended, but the general gist seems to be enhancement for unused stuff and only very minor effects for the most popular items. The base versions of guns... are probably used so little (mostly for MR rank and disposed of) its not even on the radar.