So AoE is dead, right?

[Psychoglot]

I'm trying to explain how a 300%+ cc heliocor is not even making contact when slamming directly on the enemy?
several times in a row, this has happened multiple times
ps there are so many daily activities that you can't do them all in a day
so how does most of the player base manage it? progressing and leveling stuff the most efficiently will see you mostly playing the optimal frames. i thought variety was the goal or at least fun
unintelligent warframe neckbeards only invalidate others
upon further research, AoE is bugged rn. lmao you guys need therapy and to read a book

[Tictactucrac]

The goal is whatever you decide the goal is. My goal is to unlock and try all frames and weapons at my own pace. Some people are still playing with their starting Volt/Mag/Excal frame and don't give a sh*t about collecting.

If your goal is to farm dailies in the most efficient way possible then you will need optimal builds but the game doesn't force that on you at any time.

I only unlocked Steel Path after 300 hours and I still haven't started farming the og Loid reputation or Zariman reputation, I'm "only" MR13, still haven't done a single Archon Hunt yet, haven't finished my first Kuva Lich, still no clue how to get an incarnon weapon, i'm not losing sleep over it, it's not like there's any fomo related to any of these activities I can do whatever I want whenever I want at any pace I want with any frame and any build I want. Except Steel Path I guess some builds/frames just don't realistically work with any given mission/activity at least at my skill level but I have enough different frames to deal with most activities.

You can't have max efficiency and max fun/variety at the same time that's not really how build based games work you either minmax or do some fun sh*t. For some people the minmax is the fun part and it's ok, it's not for me and it's ok.

I don't know about Heliocor I don't seem to have any problem with that weapon it's making contact just fine.

[romy]

Originally posted by Tictactucrac:

I can do whatever I want whenever I want at any pace I want with any frame and any build I want.

Warframe in a nutshell.

[Mason]

AoE is the best for the majority of missions. Mag is arguably the best warframe in the game right now, and her entire kit is AoE. Pretty sure she can kill level cap enemies as well, I played with her in the steel path circuit up to level 1000 and magnetize just destroys everything. In terms of weapons, Kuva Nukor, Latron Incarnon, and Torid Incarnon are some of the best AoE based weapons in the game right now. Latron Incarnon and Torid Incarnon make steel path a joke. Of course they will start to struggle with very high level enemies on their own, unless you armor strip, but if you ever intend on hitting level cap in endless missions then you should probably be using someone like Mag anyway.

[Ghin]

I have a Frost build set up to use his 4 almost constantly. Is this optimal? No. Does it work in almost every mission? Yes.

I have a Nidus build set up so I don't have to pay any attention. I use his 2 to clump all the enemies and then blow them up with a huge gun. Is this optimal? No. Does it work in almost every mission? Yes.

[NIkto Barada]

by ignoring stuff that gives bad rewards or isnt timesensitive. NW +necracell first, everything else according to your needs.

[Jaynoble55]

Originally posted by Fried Rice:

AoE is the best for the majority of missions. Mag is arguably the best warframe in the game right now, and her entire kit is AoE. Pretty sure she can kill level cap enemies as well, I played with her in the steel path circuit up to level 1000 and magnetize just destroys everything. In terms of weapons, Kuva Nukor, Latron Incarnon, and Torid Incarnon are some of the best AoE based weapons in the game right now. Latron Incarnon and Torid Incarnon make steel path a joke. Of course they will start to struggle with very high level enemies on their own, unless you armor strip, but if you ever intend on hitting level cap in endless missions then you should probably be using someone like Mag anyway.

Dante pisses all over mag. But not literally.

[Mason]

Originally posted by Jaynoble55:

Originally posted by Fried Rice:

AoE is the best for the majority of missions. Mag is arguably the best warframe in the game right now, and her entire kit is AoE. Pretty sure she can kill level cap enemies as well, I played with her in the steel path circuit up to level 1000 and magnetize just destroys everything. In terms of weapons, Kuva Nukor, Latron Incarnon, and Torid Incarnon are some of the best AoE based weapons in the game right now. Latron Incarnon and Torid Incarnon make steel path a joke. Of course they will start to struggle with very high level enemies on their own, unless you armor strip, but if you ever intend on hitting level cap in endless missions then you should probably be using someone like Mag anyway.

Dante pisses all over mag. But not literally.

I dunno about that, but I'm not gonna bother arguing about it, you keep using Dante I'll stick with my beloved Mag. They both get the job done well enough.

[C.D.J. Grazza]

TO OP: AOE is not dead, imho. I agree, all the dailies can be overwhelming and I never know what to do 'first' each gaming session. But as others have said, do what you like in the order that you feel like doing stuff, and don't feel compelled to do any content, or even respond to lotus alerts if it's not a mode you enjoy playing.

Simply do the stuff that's fun for you in this game! ggs.

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Originally posted by Fried Rice:

AoE is the best for the majority of missions. Mag is arguably the best warframe in the game right now, and her entire kit is AoE. Pretty sure she can kill level cap enemies as well, I played with her in the steel path circuit up to level 1000 and magnetize just destroys everything. In terms of weapons, Kuva Nukor, Latron Incarnon, and Torid Incarnon are some of the best AoE based weapons in the game right now. Latron Incarnon and Torid Incarnon make steel path a joke. Of course they will start to struggle with very high level enemies on their own, unless you armor strip, but if you ever intend on hitting level cap in endless missions then you should probably be using someone like Mag anyway.

Mag is really good. The issue for us folk who joined the game recently, in the era of overguard, is how to use frames like mag and get her timing down. Keep her defenses up. Stop her from getting oneshot. Build her right. All of that! XD

I took Mag to level 60 content to try out for the first time. Lasted about 5 minutes, no prob, but as the enemies got harder, I would get one shot.

Yes, it's a skill issue.

What I'm trying to say, when overguard exists on multiple frames, and that overguard protects from status's and one shots, one can face tank more enemies. With mag, for me, it's a challenge to know how to keep Mag's defenses up. (actually any warframe with out overguard) Same goes for Vauban, who is super powerful and scales well, but one needs to practice him. XD

So, yea mag is good, but overguard exists. I'd be happy for everframe to get an overguard augment that could be used by newer players but that might just seem like a joke to experienced players. And make warframes like Mag, way too OP.

GGs.

PS: I'm learning to use wisp and titania, and finally starting to be able to keep them alive at higher content, by using them correctly. But it takes practice. It's really fun to find out they're not hard to use at all once you know their survivabilty buttons!

[RubiiX]

Originally posted by Ghin:

I have a Frost build set up to use his 4 almost constantly. Is this optimal? No. Does it work in almost every mission? Yes.

I have a Nidus build set up so I don't have to pay any attention. I use his 2 to clump all the enemies and then blow them up with a huge gun. Is this optimal? No. Does it work in almost every mission? Yes.

Frost 4 spam with his two augments is peek endgame. Especially if you mod him right. I have 175% effiency so I just spam spam spam and get mad overguard while getting 200% crit chance and damage on frozen enemies while armor stripping everything.

Glorious.

[DeAlph]

AoE is not dead , it still meta nowaday, look at those Torid / Strun / Latron / Miter Incarnon / Kuva Tonkor / Kuva Zarr / Glaive Prime / Dante / Garuda / Gauss / Saryn with or without kuva sobek / Volt / Mirage / Equinox and etc.

[Blarker]

Aoe.... dead? Uh, no. No it is not. Thermal sunder Titania still crushes void fissures. Gyre barely needs to attack to kill everything on the map. My kuva tonkor is still one shotting rooms of enemies at a time. Aoe is as good as ever at demolishing pretty much all content that you dont need specific setups for.

....and how this relates to your issues with heliocor, I dont have the slightest idea.

And like others said, with so much possible content to do every day, you prioritize the stuff with the better rewards and ignore the rest. Or you do the stuff related to what you are currently farming. No need to burn yourself out doing 100% of all available content every single day, after all.