Kuva Lich system

[XLbuff]

I'm a big fan of Nemesis system and I'm always glad to see something similar in games. This is not the case. Overblown grind, almost no variety, overall very easy way to burn out.

Even to get 1 weapon above 50% element can be painful amount of grind. Grind of the same content over and over. So much time/effort from the player with expendable requiem mods from relics, correct order, etc, but almost no content to make it fun. The fact that your "friend" may decide not attack you for a large number of missions is such a waste of time. When you mindlessly farm thralls on the same missions and can't even stab your Lich to check known requiem is so boring.

Maybe earlier such amount of long boring grind to get kuva weapons was kind of fair. But now you can't even say that this is the best weapons and it's just bad experience.

[Donitsi]

I agree, it's horrible. I have maybe 2 Tenet weapons and 3 Kuva weapons because the content is as you said it "No fun". It doesn't offer anything new for the gameplay while grinding. The "New" part is higher enemy level and Nemesis itself as random boss fight in basic mission nodes.

[FashionSuckMan]

you can blow the entire game apart with a mark 1 paris. You don't need to run your kuva a waepon again to get 20% more toxic damage on its innate element. Just get the weapon and have your fun with it, no self inflicted cbt necessary

[Demented_shade]

I think its much better to just get different lich weapons you want to try and not bother trying to upgrade the elemental bonus to the max by farming duplicates. Its still a grind but feels like you're working toward something that matters when its a new weapon or element change rather than a few percent of damage. The weapons typically feel better than anything except incarnons with just whatever damage bonus it comes with.

I'm not saying the system is good, it could stand to offer a different way to get those little increases in percentage without doing a whole lich run repeatedly. Thats just how i chose to deal with it as it is.

[XLbuff]

Originally posted by FashionSuckMan:

you can blow the entire game apart with a mark 1 paris. You don't need to run your kuva a waepon again to get 20% more toxic damage on its innate element. Just get the weapon and have your fun with it, no self inflicted cbt necessary

I mean, you know this system was designed to get special weapons from your nemesis, it's clear. It should be rewarding. Player should want the best version of such weapon. It's not good when it's so overblown.

[XLbuff]

Originally posted by Demented_shade:

I think its much better to just get different lich weapons you want to try and not bother trying to upgrade the elemental bonus to the max by farming duplicates. Its still a grind but feels like you're working toward something that matters when its a new weapon or element change rather than a few percent of damage. The weapons typically feel better than anything except incarnons with just whatever damage bonus it comes with.

It's still a chore, poorly designed for repeatable content. And when you get like 34% element on kuva weapon it doesn't feel rewarding right away, but you'll have to go through the whole process, cause you can't get rid of it any other way.

If there was an option to just send an assassin to get rid of Lich you don't ike it would be better. Maybe even send your converted Lich. If Lich's weapon could upgrade with him after wrong stabs it would be better and grind more meaningful. If any new missions/mechanics was added to make it actually fun...

[Drago]

Originally posted by XLbuff:

Originally posted by Demented_shade:

I think its much better to just get different lich weapons you want to try and not bother trying to upgrade the elemental bonus to the max by farming duplicates. Its still a grind but feels like you're working toward something that matters when its a new weapon or element change rather than a few percent of damage. The weapons typically feel better than anything except incarnons with just whatever damage bonus it comes with.

It's still a chore, poorly designed for repeatable content. And when you get like 34% element on kuva weapon it doesn't feel rewarding right away, but you'll have to go through the whole process, cause you can't get rid of it any other way.

If there was an option to just send an assassin to get rid of Lich you don't ike it would be better. Maybe even send your converted Lich. If Lich's weapon could upgrade with him after wrong stabs it would be better and grind more meaningful. If any new missions/mechanics was added to make it actually fun...

I agree, all those would be neat suggestions. I particularly like the idea of being able to use your LIch Friend for Life to do tasks that need a Tenno/Warframe like touch but you aren't available for. It could be interesting having random events, stories, or activities pop up based on the Lich's weird adventures and them trying to fit in with their new life as sidekick to the Heavenly Emperors.

[FashionSuckMan]

Originally posted by XLbuff:

Originally posted by FashionSuckMan:

you can blow the entire game apart with a mark 1 paris. You don't need to run your kuva a waepon again to get 20% more toxic damage on its innate element. Just get the weapon and have your fun with it, no self inflicted cbt necessary

I mean, you know this system was designed to get special weapons from your nemesis, it's clear. It should be rewarding. Player should want the best version of such weapon. It's not good when it's so overblown.

the weapons are already really good at 25% of the element, there is genuinely no reason to farm for a higher percent, the base is still better than most weapons, and farming for a higher percent makes you hate the game

[tv]

i really wish they'd make it so leveling up the lich will increase the bonus that way you can just max it in one go. also if they could move the kuva melee weapons to Cressa Tal shop...