FYI: Don't use (Primed) Firestorm on the Torid Incarnon

[rhoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeskDSI-KPc

I found this video today, and it covers all the basics quite well - I was impressed, and wanted to share for good info.

TL;DW: (Primed) Firestorm doesn't help as much as you'd think. Don't use it.

[XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX]

Youtube video is wrong, next question.

[rhoenix]

Originally posted by XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX:

Youtube video is wrong, next question.

How so? Break down the error - let's see it.

(Primed) Firestorm does affect the initial splash, as the video shows, but does not affect the distance of any of the tendrils from it.

If all that's true, Firestorm has far less of a useful effect, and therefore isn't worth the mod slot.

[Dicuss]

Originally posted by rhoenix:

Originally posted by XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX:

Youtube video is wrong, next question.

How so? Break down the error - let's see it.

(Primed) Firestorm does affect the initial splash, as the video shows, but does not affect the distance of any of the tendrils from it.

If all that's true, Firestorm has far less of a useful effect, and therefore isn't worth the mod slot.

Direct quote from the video you linked (timestamp 8:07) :

"The end result of slotting Primed Firestorm is more enemies hit and more beams spawned which means more ranged damage and status spread all at the same time. It also makes the Torid even more forgiving of sloppy aim [...]

[...] for a general purpose weapon build my verdict is to treat it like an auto-include these days"

The video you included as proof against slotting Primed Firestorm straight up recommends using it...

[rhoenix]

Originally posted by Dicuss:

Direct quote from the video you linked (timestamp 8:07) :

"The end result of slotting Primed Firestorm is more enemies hit and more beams spawned which means more ranged damage and status spread all at the same time. It also makes the Torid even more forgiving of sloppy aim [...]

[...] For a general purpose weapon build my verdict is to treat it like an auto-include these days"

The video you included as proof against slotting Primed Firestorm straight up recommends using it...

First, props for including the timestamp and the quote - that helps quite a bit.

Second - yes, he does contradict himself there. I will fully grant you that.

However, I do think the point made overall is at least worthy of consideration. Without the Incarnon adapter, yes, Firestorm very much makes sense. With it however, because most of the time people will be playing in Incarnon mode with it, it's usefulness as a mod slot goes down due to how the tendrils' chaining works.

Personally, I have tried playing without Primed Firestorm over yesterday and today as a test. I haven't noticed any sort of drop in efficacy - in fact, with being able to put in another 60/60 elemental mod, it feels better to use for me than before.

YMMV, of course - but it worked better for me.

[Donitsi]

Originally posted by rhoenix:

Second - yes, he does contradict himself there. I will fully grant you that.

However, I do think the point made overall is at least worthy of consideration. Without the Incarnon adapter, yes, Firestorm very much makes sense. With it however, because most of the time people will be playing in Incarnon mode with it, it's usefulness as a mod slot goes down due to how the tendrils' chaining works.

Personally, I have tried playing without Primed Firestorm over yesterday and today as a test. I haven't noticed any sort of drop in efficacy - in fact, with being able to put in another 60/60 elemental mod, it feels better to use for me than before.

YMMV, of course - but it worked better for me.

I do not use Torid but I understand your view. If you have reliable trust on your weapon aim then skipping Firestorm shouldn't be shamed at all. I do the same with Kuva Ogris that has two different builds.

One build has Heavy Caliber + Primed Firestorm. Why? I have warframes who have airborne builds and Ogris has with +300% Multishot and spreading rockets in wider area from above the enemy is good way to spread Status effects on them while at the same time damage Common units. Not reliable Solo build, a lot more useful in Team gameplay.
Other build doesn't have Firestorm because I can make direct hits if I want.

[Spartykins]

personally I don't like firestorm that much since I'd rather just shoot another round

[Black Paisley]

Originally posted by Spartykins:

personally I don't like firestorm that much since I'd rather just shoot another round

Firestorm got nerfed iirc

[Mr. Smiles]

I use primed firestorm in anything I want. Including my rubico prime, for no reason other than to combat the meta.

[Black Paisley]

Originally posted by Mr. Smiles:

I use primed firestorm in anything I want. Including my rubico prime, for no reason other than to combat the meta.

Wait you use the Rubico Prime outside of Eidolon hunts?

[Mr. Smiles]

Originally posted by Lizard King:

Originally posted by Mr. Smiles:

I use primed firestorm in anything I want. Including my rubico prime, for no reason other than to combat the meta.

Wait you use the Rubico Prime outside of Eidolon hunts?

Lol, no.

[Black Paisley]

Originally posted by Mr. Smiles:

Originally posted by Lizard King:

Wait you use the Rubico Prime outside of Eidolon hunts?

Lol, no.

Alright. You had me worried for a sec lol

[YaFilthy]

that mods always been kinda wack i can see the usefulness on chain beam weapons but on other explosion weapons its not that great if it was a exilus, or riven it could be useful but it just doesnt offer significant range. Until it gets something like semi auto cannonaid things in open world are so spread apart you have to aim anyway enemys in the basic tile set are generally to fair away rife users and your just targeting blobs. Most explosion weapons dont perform that great anymore because of nerfs... it barely makes any sense for any frame but frames that lump up mobs like vuban but at that point using punch through would be better or flat dmg. But i guess that his argument that it make sense here since multishot and punch though do nothing on torid. decent video but aim at heads and oxspray worry less.

[Black Paisley]

Originally posted by YaFilthy:

that mods always been kinda wack i can see the usefulness on chain beam weapons but on other explosion weapons its not that great if it was a exilus, or riven it could be useful but it just doesnt offer significant range. Until it gets something like semi auto cannonaid things in open world are so spread apart you have to aim anyway enemys in the basic tile set are generally to fair away rife users and your just targeting blobs. Most explosion weapons dont perform that great anymore because of nerfs... it barely makes any sense for any frame but frames that lump up mobs like vuban but at that point using punch through would be better or flat dmg. But i guess that his argument that it make sense here since multishot and punch though do nothing on torid. decent video but aim at heads and oxspray worry less.

It doesn't help that they nerfed it