Why do some of the newer prime parts have lower drop rates?

[Deity]

I have noticed that both Khora Prime and Garuda Prime gold tier drops have a far lower droprate when in radshare groups than older Prime gold tier drops. For older ones its like a 50/50 chance with radshare but with sets like Khora the drop chance is like a 1/20 with radshare

[Deity]

XcessivForce původně napsal:

Had my own thoughts recently on how sus the relic drops were getting, and yea new ones seemed the hardest to crack so to speak. The main thing wasnt necessarily the very poor drop rates for gold tier, but how the RNG would stick in place if you were going through a stack of relics and give you the same identical item 4-5 sometimes more in a row. Statistically speaking that should be very rare, but instead it is commonplace in my experience.

I feel like there is a hidden popularity system similar to riven disposition, to where it throttles success when certain thresholds are met (say too many folks got that prize today). This would account for why older relics seem to pop with much higher success as there are fewer in circulation and use.

As with any RNG system where you feel you are getting shorted, its good to mix things up. Try different days or times of day when the RNG might relax and be closer to published numbers. I have noticed that trying to force it by running through a full stack and all your void traces only leads to frustration, solo or group. Take a break and try again later, and on your final chance to get that piece it just might pop.

I think that was a big issue in the past too, some drops were rarer because too many people already got a lot of them that day, if that is a system in game it needs to be removed.

[Chauve-souris]

Like everyone else said, it is rng. I perfectly remember getting a Nekros Prime BP with my friends on our first rad. relic, one of my friends sold his for plat, he needed to go thru another 150 relics to get another BP. Same happended with Kronen blades, took 150 relics to get one blade, and just 2 more to get the second blade.

The rare drop rate is still only 10% with a radiant relic. In other words, 90% chances you do not get that rare drop.

[Ben Lubar]

Chauve-souris původně napsal:

The rare drop rate is still only 10% with a radiant relic. In other words, 90% chances you do not get that rare drop.

Yep, and rolling a 90% chance 20 times in a row (0.9^20) is a 12% chance. Which means even though it's a 1-in-10, you're more likely to roll bronze and silver on your next 20 attempts than you are to roll gold on your next attempt.

[dexter]

Is OP just ignoring the fact that people get gold parts on their first opening? Instead they are creating some conspiracy that a chinese company bought warframe to specifically target him to lower the droprate of ONLY some new relic parts. Like... what?? Also why would tencent even touch anything. They're basically an investment company that buys companies that are already making money. Why would they ruin a game and company to make your Garuda part drop less lol?

[Deity]

Chauve-souris původně napsal:

Like everyone else said, it is rng. I perfectly remember getting a Nekros Prime BP with my friends on our first rad. relic, one of my friends sold his for plat, he needed to go thru another 150 relics to get another BP. Same happended with Kronen blades, took 150 relics to get one blade, and just 2 more to get the second blade.

The rare drop rate is still only 10% with a radiant relic. In other words, 90% chances you do not get that rare drop.

For it to happen on specific relics on multiple occasions for the same person is such an astronomically low chance theres almost no way the numbers werent altered in some way. What I think happens is that the chance stays at 12% but after a certain number of people get the drop in a specified time it throttles the drop chance immensely to the point to where its only a .12% drop chance.

[Deity]

Ben Lubar původně napsal:

Chauve-souris původně napsal:

The rare drop rate is still only 10% with a radiant relic. In other words, 90% chances you do not get that rare drop.

Yep, and rolling a 90% chance 20 times in a row (0.9^20) is a 12% chance. Which means even though it's a 1-in-10, you're more likely to roll bronze and silver on your next 20 attempts than you are to roll gold on your next attempt.

The chance of the dude not getting it after 150 tries is .00001% chance thats even worse than gacha rates, its just not gonna happen, unless there is an outside force like I just stated.

[Deity]

dexter původně napsal:

Is OP just ignoring the fact that people get gold parts on their first opening? Instead they are creating some conspiracy that a chinese company bought warframe to specifically target him to lower the droprate of ONLY some new relic parts. Like... what?? Also why would tencent even touch anything. They're basically an investment company that buys companies that are already making money. Why would they ruin a game and company to make your Garuda part drop less lol?

Even if I take those into consideration running the relic multiple times over different days should show different results, the same bad luck would not affect the same relic over long periods of time.

[Fake]

Deity původně napsal:

Chauve-souris původně napsal:

Like everyone else said, it is rng. I perfectly remember getting a Nekros Prime BP with my friends on our first rad. relic, one of my friends sold his for plat, he needed to go thru another 150 relics to get another BP. Same happended with Kronen blades, took 150 relics to get one blade, and just 2 more to get the second blade.

The rare drop rate is still only 10% with a radiant relic. In other words, 90% chances you do not get that rare drop.

For it to happen on specific relics on multiple occasions for the same person is such an astronomically low chance theres almost no way the numbers werent altered in some way. What I think happens is that the chance stays at 12% but after a certain number of people get the drop in a specified time it throttles the drop chance immensely to the point to where its only a .12% drop chance.

Please provide proof that DE throttle drops.

[Ben Lubar]

Deity původně napsal:

Ben Lubar původně napsal:

Yep, and rolling a 90% chance 20 times in a row (0.9^20) is a 12% chance. Which means even though it's a 1-in-10, you're more likely to roll bronze and silver on your next 20 attempts than you are to roll gold on your next attempt.

The chance of the dude not getting it after 150 tries is .00001% chance thats even worse than gacha rates, its just not gonna happen, unless there is an outside force like I just stated.

But if you don't get it on your first 149 tries, trying one more time gives you the same 10% chance of getting it that you've had on every previous attempt.

Getting the drop on your 150th attempt is less likely than not getting the drop for 150 attempts.

[dexter]

Deity původně napsal:

Ben Lubar původně napsal:

Yep, and rolling a 90% chance 20 times in a row (0.9^20) is a 12% chance. Which means even though it's a 1-in-10, you're more likely to roll bronze and silver on your next 20 attempts than you are to roll gold on your next attempt.

The chance of the dude not getting it after 150 tries is .00001% chance thats even worse than gacha rates, its just not gonna happen, unless there is an outside force like I just stated.

That logic is silly and makes no sense. The chances of dying to a shark are 1 in 3.75 million, that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen or that there's an outside source killing people with sharks. It just means that it's extremely unlikely to happen, but it does happen. Warframe has hundreds of thousands of players, the chance of a single person getting an unlucky drop like yours should statistically happen to at least one person.

[Ben Lubar]

dexter původně napsal:

Deity původně napsal:

The chance of the dude not getting it after 150 tries is .00001% chance thats even worse than gacha rates, its just not gonna happen, unless there is an outside force like I just stated.

That logic is silly and makes no sense. The chances of dying to a shark are 1 in 3.75 million, that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen or that there's an outside source killing people with sharks. It just means that it's extremely unlikely to happen, but it does happen. Warframe has hundreds of thousands of players, the chance of a single person getting an unlucky drop like yours should statistically happen to at least one person.

Yeah, the law of large numbers doesn't mean if you roll a 6-sided die 6 times it'll come up with different numbers every time. It means the more times you roll the die, the more likely it is to land on each side about the same number of times. You can still have the number of times it's landed on each side differ, even by millions of times, if you roll the die enough.

Humans are great at detecting patterns to the point where they'll often find a pattern that doesn't exist. Just because a die rolls a 1 100 times in a row doesn't mean it's unfairly weighted; rolling 1 100 times in a row is exactly as likely as rolling 1-2-3-4-5-6-1-2-3-4-5-6 etc 100 times or rolling a 1 99 times in a row and then a 6.

[Deity]

dexter původně napsal:

Deity původně napsal:

The chance of the dude not getting it after 150 tries is .00001% chance thats even worse than gacha rates, its just not gonna happen, unless there is an outside force like I just stated.

That logic is silly and makes no sense. The chances of dying to a shark are 1 in 3.75 million, that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen or that there's an outside source killing people with sharks. It just means that it's extremely unlikely to happen, but it does happen. Warframe has hundreds of thousands of players, the chance of a single person getting an unlucky drop like yours should statistically happen to at least one person.

Hundreds of thousands, not millions.

[DeAlph]

I did get Gauss prime all parts in 4 relics . i wouldn't say new relic has lower drop rate because it just your bad rng

[Novuhz]

Someone doesn't understand RNG -shrugs-

[Deity]

Novuhz původně napsal:

Someone doesn't understand RNG -shrugs-

I understand how it works probably better than most people, The way that the RNG works on very specific relics for specific people doesnt add up. Thats just not how math works, I would understand if it was all in the same day but the RNG on these relics didnt change even on different days. RNG can be bad but it doesnt choose to target the same people over and over, at least its just extremely unlikely.