Are Archon Shards Just For Prime Frames?

[Neko]

The more new things I find the more I get confused like the use of Helminth is for Prime Frames only not for Normal Frames l

[I aM(NoT) huMAN]

shards can be put in any frame prime or normal. to unlock a frames ability in the helminth you must first feed that frame to the helminth and that frame must be normal frame.

[Wintermute]

You can remove shards, so it's not a permanent investment anyway.

[Everglow]

...helminth isnt prime only what are you talking about

[[Meyo]Frakura]

Its better to put shards on prime warframe since they are considered an upgrade, but its not required. You can put shards on regular frames and take them off whenever you want at the cost of Bile.

[Neko]

Originally posted by Everglow:

...helminth isnt prime only what are you talking about

wait for real dang been doing some guide research all they say its for Prime Frames

[Wintermute]

Originally posted by 100%:

Originally posted by Everglow:

...helminth isnt prime only what are you talking about

wait for real dang been doing some guide research all they say its for Prime Frames

There's generally almost no difference between prime and non-prime warframes. Stat differences are extremely minor, and prime frames can't be subsumed into Helminth for their abilities. That's about it. Everything else you see on a prime warframe you can replicate on a regular one.

[Adeptguy]

Originally posted by 100%:

The more new things I find the more I get confused like the use of Helminth is for Prime Frames only not for Normal Frames l

You can put everything in anything. The thing is, usually a Prime version of something is better. I say usually, so not always. Some weapons for example, but im pretty sure in terms of actual warframes the prime is 100% always better.

Also, helminth can subsume abilities from "normal" version warframes, but not primes. It has to do with the fact that you can buy warframes with prime access and you can only pay that with real money. Meaning that you could potentially "accidentally" subsume (destroy) something you paid real money for and thats a no-no. They dont want to deal with that crap so they made you sacrifice regular versions only. Im sure they also got more reasons than this but to me this seems to be the most important one.

However what you might be thinking about with the "helminth for prime frames only" is because its the best choice ofcourse. Never has a prime frame been worse than regular, so the conclusion becomes obvious in that you should only use helminth abilities and archon shards on primes. There is no functional reason to choose regulars over primes. I say functional because one might want to use regulars for the looks and that is aesthetical, looks dont affect gameplay so that reason is not a functional one.

Edit: After reading the comments, especially the last before mine I feel like I should emphasize this again. There is no reason to use regular frames IF you have access to a prime one. And no, there are no "extremely small differences" between regular and prime, that guy is talking ♥♥♥♥. Ignore that comment, he doesnt know what he's talking about.

Fun fact btw: prime frames can (as far as I know) take the old look, so lets say you dont like the look of garuda prime but you do like garuda regular version look, you can copy her old look. Just change the skin as you would normally, the option is there.

[Neko]

Originally posted by Adeptguy:

Originally posted by 100%:

The more new things I find the more I get confused like the use of Helminth is for Prime Frames only not for Normal Frames l

You can put everything in anything. The thing is, usually a Prime version of something is better. I say usually, so not always. Some weapons for example, but im pretty sure in terms of actual warframes the prime is 100% always better.

Also, helminth can subsume abilities from "normal" version warframes, but not primes. It has to do with the fact that you can buy warframes with prime access and you can only pay that with real money. Meaning that you could potentially "accidentally" subsume (destroy) something you paid real money for and thats a no-no. They dont want to deal with that crap so they made you sacrifice regular versions only. Im sure they also got more reasons than this but to me this seems to be the most important one.

However what you might be thinking about with the "helminth for prime frames only" is because its the best choice ofcourse. Never has a prime frame been worse than regular, so the conclusion becomes obvious in that you should only use helminth abilities and archon shards on primes. There is no functional reason to choose regulars over primes. I say functional because one might want to use regulars for the looks and that is aesthetical, looks dont affect gameplay so that reason is not a functional one.

Edit: After reading the comments, especially the last before mine I feel like I should emphasize this again. There is no reason to use regular frames IF you have access to a prime one. And no, there are no "extremely small differences" between regular and prime, that guy is talking ♥♥♥♥. Ignore that comment, he doesnt know what he's talking about.

Fun fact btw: prime frames can (as far as I know) take the old look, so lets say you dont like the look of garuda prime but you do like garuda regular version look, you can copy her old look. Just change the skin as you would normally, the option is there.
I see thanks for the heads up

[Adeptguy]

Originally posted by 100%:

Originally posted by Adeptguy:

You can put everything in anything. The thing is, usually a Prime version of something is better. I say usually, so not always. Some weapons for example, but im pretty sure in terms of actual warframes the prime is 100% always better.

Also, helminth can subsume abilities from "normal" version warframes, but not primes. It has to do with the fact that you can buy warframes with prime access and you can only pay that with real money. Meaning that you could potentially "accidentally" subsume (destroy) something you paid real money for and thats a no-no. They dont want to deal with that crap so they made you sacrifice regular versions only. Im sure they also got more reasons than this but to me this seems to be the most important one.

However what you might be thinking about with the "helminth for prime frames only" is because its the best choice ofcourse. Never has a prime frame been worse than regular, so the conclusion becomes obvious in that you should only use helminth abilities and archon shards on primes. There is no functional reason to choose regulars over primes. I say functional because one might want to use regulars for the looks and that is aesthetical, looks dont affect gameplay so that reason is not a functional one.

Edit: After reading the comments, especially the last before mine I feel like I should emphasize this again. There is no reason to use regular frames IF you have access to a prime one. And no, there are no "extremely small differences" between regular and prime, that guy is talking ♥♥♥♥. Ignore that comment, he doesnt know what he's talking about.

Fun fact btw: prime frames can (as far as I know) take the old look, so lets say you dont like the look of garuda prime but you do like garuda regular version look, you can copy her old look. Just change the skin as you would normally, the option is there.

I see thanks for the heads up

One last reminder: Not all warframes have prime versions. I feel like you are already aware of that but still good to mention it. If a regular version is the only version of a warframe at the moment (for example Sevagoth) then obviously you have no other choice anyway. Luckily everything you do at the helminth does not need to be permanent, after you make a change you can undo it and change again so feel free to experiment. Only thing that it costs you is some meaningless resources.

[Wintermute]

Originally posted by Adeptguy:

Originally posted by 100%:

The more new things I find the more I get confused like the use of Helminth is for Prime Frames only not for Normal Frames l

Edit: After reading the comments, especially the last before mine I feel like I should emphasize this again. There is no reason to use regular frames IF you have access to a prime one. And no, there are no "extremely small differences" between regular and prime, that guy is talking ♥♥♥♥. Ignore that comment, he doesnt know what he's talking about.

What's the difference between IDK, let's say Harrow and Harrow prime? Go on, tell me. 1 polarity, 40 more energy and 185 more shields? Wow. What a massive, MASSIVE difference, oh my god.

Where do you people come from.

[Everglow]

i just did a quick skim but also as a reminder

if you put shards on a normal frame, YOU NEED TO REMOVE SHARDS BEFORE SELLING OR HELMINTHING YOU WILL LOSE THE SHARDS IF YOU DONT REMOVE THEM

[[Meyo]Frakura]

Originally posted by Wintermute:

Originally posted by Adeptguy:

Edit: After reading the comments, especially the last before mine I feel like I should emphasize this again. There is no reason to use regular frames IF you have access to a prime one. And no, there are no "extremely small differences" between regular and prime, that guy is talking ♥♥♥♥. Ignore that comment, he doesnt know what he's talking about.

What's the difference between IDK, let's say Harrow and Harrow prime? Go on, tell me. 1 polarity, 40 more energy and 185 more shields? Wow. What a massive, MASSIVE difference, oh my god.

Where do you people come from.

Well, if you are trying to min max, anything is good. Regular frames might be fine, but prime is undeniably better, even if slightly.

[tv]

primes are generally uglier than their normal counterparts, recently this has reversed with weapons

[Everglow]

Originally posted by tv:

primes are generally uglier than their normal counterparts, recently this has reversed with weapons

you can still use the normal skin though on primes (also i would say the male frames get uglier while female frames look better hands down prettiest prime is ivara)

[Adeptguy]

Originally posted by Everglow:

Originally posted by tv:

primes are generally uglier than their normal counterparts, recently this has reversed with weapons

you can still use the normal skin though on primes (also i would say the male frames get uglier while female frames look better hands down prettiest prime is ivara)

Ivara and garuda sure as hell look worse with prime