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what is tenno ? human or some kind of soul?
if warframe is the armor so what is the tenno? answer this plz :)
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Автор сообщения: Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.
Yes, but arbiters are confirmed totally not tenno. Same goes for that PvP black guy, whom name I totally forgot. Same goes for Suda, Red Veil, Loka - none of them are tenno. Just your regular joes, armed to to the teeth with their own intentions.
Also, that Old War is the war between Orokin and Sentients.

Of course. I just think that the Orokin and the Sentients weren't as united or as different as it seems now. That they're really just constructs we use to explain a more complex conflict we see the remnants of. Where they both faded to enough mindlessness (the orokin) or were spread out enough (everything else) to result in a period of relative calm.

Perhaps the actual conflict wasn't as different as the current one? Where the different interests and factions express some of the same somewhat universal goals and interests. That on one level, the syndicates diverge completely on what the Tenno should be used for now that they are animated again. Or that ultimately, they represent paths towards the end of the Tenno. As mindless warriors for no cause other than warfare (with the arbiters), as mercenaries to maintain a market with no sustainability (perrin sequence), or as weapons to eradicate all "enemies" or all wielders of arms of any kind (the veil).

Or from a different angle, that in the current era, the corpus and the grineer have emerged as great enough powers with big enough ambition and power to lead to a final destruction of the universe (as we know it) again. And that this is when the Tenno awaken. Not as gods to set things right, but as a force to fulfill the sentient's fates.

... :p
Tenno is a learning combat program with no voice. Unless skills have a voice file.

This is why we can just jump from body to body without any problems.
Автор сообщения: Zefar
Tenno is a learning combat program with no voice. Unless skills have a voice file.

This is why we can just jump from body to body without any problems.
I'm not a big fan of "bodyless entity" theory (i.e. program, soul, energy), though it's possible too. But biomechanical sentient symbiont just sounds so much cooler.

Sigh, some people debunked "energy theory" others completely destroyed "tenno is an actual human inside". Wish DE would hurry with their official version, I'm eager to shoot that cannon once and for all pinpoint on target.
In the Rhino Prim'e codex entry it talked about Rhino Prime 'without' his warframe, reviling the tenno inside it, so tenno are living things inside that warframe, if the operator is controling the warframes in a orbitor compartment then how does it adapt to have the personalities that that warframe / tenno have once had? It does also say in the libo theorem that you can change warframes yes, but maybe the tenno have changed since the Orokin Era... ?
Автор сообщения: Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.
Автор сообщения: Zefar
Tenno is a learning combat program with no voice. Unless skills have a voice file.

This is why we can just jump from body to body without any problems.
I'm not a big fan of "bodyless entity" theory (i.e. program, soul, energy), though it's possible too. But biomechanical sentient symbiont just sounds so much cooler.

Sigh, some people debunked "energy theory" others completely destroyed "tenno is an actual human inside". Wish DE would hurry with their official version, I'm eager to shoot that cannon once and for all pinpoint on target.
Not physically inhabiting a Frame doesn't mean an entity without body. But biomechanical sentient symbiont could also mean a remote connection. I think there just has to be a practical reason why Ordis was asked to hide the Orbiter in an inaccessible place. As Ordis is a Cephalon maintaining the personal player ship, it stands to reason that the Orbiter is connected to an individual player, not to the Tenno as a whole.

And I doubt the individual Tenno has hiding his embarrassing collection of cat pictures, pr0n and pictures of cat pr0n there so no one can find it.

So remote connection does sound more reasonable to me as individually inhabiting the Frame physically. See Zanuka Hunter or the beginning of Vor's Prize. The Frame Vor captured and ultimately will be controlled by the player in order to get a Liset and flee wasn't the first Frame Vor has got into his hands. It's just the rare occurrance that the Lotus was interfering and putting a bright-eyed MR0 player in control of that Frame. Or a returning veteran. I like the bright-eyed part, though so I'll go with that.

It also has the touch of players being actually involved in some sort. By making the modern-day Tenno say combat Cephalons that remotely operate a Frame it becomes a parallel to a modern-day gamer using a PC or console to play Warframe. It also becomes so much more interesting to interact with Simaris and Suda which I totally approve of. It also puts a nice spin to Capture the Cephalon. It's like two persons that aren't playing but observe others, like spectators in some games, are the actual flag.

I don't think physically inhabiting the Frame is more interesting. Or that remotely doing it is a boring solution. Quite the opposite, actually.

But yeah. DE should maybe drop the bomb. If it even is one. It might be more of a firecracker on a rainy day...
Отредактировано Dusklite; 27 апр. 2015 г. в 10:14
Tenno are a ripoff of Hyden Tenno from Dark Sector, the studio's previous game. Not only the name, but the overall armor design is a 1:1 ripoff.

Now, let's see how many ignores the facts and starts the hateposts on me.
Автор сообщения: David
Tenno are a ripoff of Hyden Tenno from Dark Sector, the studio's previous game. Not only the name, but the overall armor design is a 1:1 ripoff.

Now, let's see how many ignores the facts and starts the hateposts on me.
Fact is that the name comes from Hayden Tenno.
Fact is that the Proto Armour and Nemesis Armour for Excalibur and Nyx are from Dark Sector.

What's not fact is everything else you implied. And calling re-using assets a ripoff is very clumsy at best and an attempt at slander at worst.

That's not hate, that's observable and verifyable facts. Sorry to disappoint.
However, seeing you don't play Warframe I think your opinion accounts for... not much. I'm more interested in why you feel the need to come into this thread and try to troll people into getting angry.
Mm. Tenno is.. I think Ten[heaven/sky] + no[of/at/from, etc.].. "From/of heaven" (crudely), in Japanese. The title of the Emperor. While "Hayden" sounds a lot like "heathen". ...they're apparently fond of jokes like that. "Vay Hek" (Oh no! Woe! Vey) + "Heck". So.. things like that probably inspired it.

And I mean, if you wanted to talk about stuff they're ripping off, you could list Evangelion, Code Geass, Ghost in the Shell, and everything else back to Godzilla. The remote ghost interface, if they're going for that, would be pilfered directly off Vanquish :D etc. All the "organic suit" designs as well, and specially Chroma, could literally have been taken from Evangelion. At least, if it didn't spring from that awesome nano-punk stuff in Dark Sector.

...apart from that, all the specific designs are really good, and very original - not just on the design paper, but in the actual game as well. With solid animation sets and the kind of care about clipping and spline movement you won't really see outside.. I don't know.. Heavy Rain? Powers as well, mostly extremely fun. Making the entire thing pretty fresh in many different ways, I think.
Автор сообщения: retroquark
Mm. Tenno is.. I think Ten[heaven/sky] + no[of/at/from, etc.].. "From/of heaven" (crudely), in Japanese. The title of the Emperor. While "Hayden" sounds a lot like "heathen". ...they're apparently fond of jokes like that. "Vay Hek" (Oh no! Woe! Vey) + "Heck". So.. things like that probably inspired it.

And I mean, if you wanted to talk about stuff they're ripping off, you could list Evangelion, Code Geass, Ghost in the Shell, and everything else back to Godzilla. The remote ghost interface, if they're going for that, would be pilfered directly off Vanquish :D etc. All the "organic suit" designs as well, and specially Chroma, could literally have been taken from Evangelion. At least, if it didn't spring from that awesome nano-punk stuff in Dark Sector.

...apart from that, all the specific designs are really good, and very original - not just on the design paper, but in the actual game as well. With solid animation sets and the kind of care about clipping and spline movement you won't really see outside.. I don't know.. Heavy Rain? Powers as well, mostly extremely fun. Making the entire thing pretty fresh in many different ways, I think.
Not to mention that even Ghost in the Shell is heavily influenced by Shadowrun (the tabletop RPG), which is heavily influenced by books by Phillip K. I-bet-this-will-be-censored and William Gibson. And that's probably not the end of the line as well, although I'm not sure what their main influences were.

I think from a design standpoint (both art, sound and game design) it's original enough not to have a "this copied that" discussion. So I'll agree with the above.
Автор сообщения: David
Tenno are a ripoff of Hyden Tenno from Dark Sector, the studio's previous game. Not only the name, but the overall armor design is a 1:1 ripoff.

Now, let's see how many ignores the facts and starts the hateposts on me.

It's not a rip off if you own the IP already :switch:
My theory combines both theories and makes it logical.

Every Warframe is a Tenno who was sent into the void, returned with powers, etc etc.

However, that kind of power put into the hands of a person under free will proved to be more than the Orokin were prepared for - it was soon realized that someone with such strength could easily abuse it. Proven when the Tenno murdered many of the Orokin (It's known that it wasn't all of the Orokin, just a lot of them).

This is why they were put into stasis - A system conducted to put their minds into a dormant state so that they could be "mentally recongfigured" - equipped with an implant that connects them to a sort of mental network where they can easily be controlled like puppets, allowing for these people to have their power, but never use it to kill their own masters again.

So every Warframe is a living being, Lech Kril and many others even say that there's flesh under that armor, and we bleed, so it's obvious they're an organic person. However, all of them are "mind controlled" in a sense by this "operator", there's likely many operators that were created by the Orokin, likely in the form of some kind of cephalon unit like Ordis, Suda, and Simaris are.

The operator cephalon, however, is meant to prevent itself from being obvious - designed to control the Tenno without triggering anything in their minds that would tell them "hey, you're being controlled to do this." - preventing any possible attempts to break the mental link, which could be possible for Warframes like Nyx, who already appears to have strong mental powers.

To correct this flaw, the Lotus exists - it issues the direct orders the operator Cephalon cannot without triggering anything in the Tenno's mind. The mind will much more quickly accept and trust a clear and visible "leader" telling them to do things than a random voice in their head. The Lotus is the "Would you kindly" of Warframe - They accept it and do whatever it asks without realizing that it's just triggering command lines inside of the "operator" that controls them.

Why "operator cephalon"? Simple. Ordis and other assisting cephalons can simply call them "Operator" without it triggering anything, and still directly communicate with the system itself. The Tenno could just as easily assume it was referring to them, rather than this massive AI they know nothing about.

So in short: Every Warframe is its own Tenno, but they're all controlled by a genius system between the individual Operator AIs and the singular Lotus that orders them all around.

But again, this is just a theory.
What do you guys think about the name "Lotus" and the fact that the actual plant lives both underwater and on the surface ?
Also, some tennos have designs inspired by sea life such as corrals. I get that this games takes a lot of inspiration from water creatures and the ocean in general. Quite interesting.
tenno is the physcal bodies that wear the frame like he said ^ the orokin(tenno's masters) made them warframe since they would gget their ass beat into ♥♥♥♥
I'm sure they draw from different kinds of things :) ..for example, in various eastern religions, a lotus represents a lot of things. The flower is the beginning, the power to create, purity, perfection, birth, etc. The root underneath, bound to the earth, where the flower springs from, of course often represents evil. It's also a unity and whole in itself, in that it bears fruit and flower at the same time.

And I'd bet good money on that the Lotus either has five wires connected to her head, which would be analogous to the five knowledges. Or eight, representing the eight-fold path.
Автор сообщения: retroquark
I'm sure they draw from different kinds of things :) ..for example, in various eastern religions, a lotus represents a lot of things. The flower is the beginning, the power to create, purity, perfection, birth, etc. The root underneath, bound to the earth, where the flower springs from, of course often represents evil. It's also a unity and whole in itself, in that it bears fruit and flower at the same time.

And I'd bet good money on that the Lotus either has five wires connected to her head, which would be analogous to the five knowledges. Or eight, representing the eight-fold path.
In the Odyssey, the Lotus-Eaters were controlled and addicted to the flower and caused two of Odysseus' crew to lose their memories. All sorts of shenenigans followed. There was a Cyclops and an angry god involved. So there. ^^

The Lotus in Warframe is probably more connected to eastern philosophy and religion, though. What with the setting in the game and all...

Incidentially, one of my Kubrows is called Lotophagus. I dread what might happen should I ever consign him to the Lotus. Probably turns out to be the other way around. Omnomnomnom.
Отредактировано Dusklite; 28 апр. 2015 г. в 16:04
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