Isn't it because armor is so bad? (Valkyr rework)

[JCTiger0]

Isn't that why everyone's so mad at Valkyr's immortality is being taken? Seriously as the one weirdo Valkyr main sitting at 2,7033 armor (90.1% reduction), I wouldn't be too mad at the rework if armor did anything at endgame but I know it basically doesn't. I can't stand still in an endgame crowd for more then ten seconds before dying and I know no amount of added armor will change that. Personally I think the rework should also come with a rework to armor as a whole so that any frame with that amount of armor on can stand in an endgame crowd for a minute before dying.

[Ittrix]

Well, yes, that is a large part of it. But it's important to form a distinction that this is important even during regular gameplay- not level cap.

a.) health tanking takes more investment than shield tanking. You'll need health mods, armor mods, damage reduction mods, and more. Valkyr's functionally losing a bunch of mod slots if she's forced to be a health tank.

b.) health tanking's limit varies, but some of the newer content releases begin at a point where health tanks can struggle. EDA starts around level 500. Steel Circuit encourages lengthy sessions and quickly levels enemies. We're getting to a point where health tanking is sometimes genuinely falling off in regular gameplay.

c.) Based on the values we've been given, Valkyr isn't even going to be a good health tank. She has no damage reduction, so frames like Ember, Yareli, and Nova will likely outperform her as health tanks at every level.

d.) Considering that shield gating exists, is widely considered to be superior, and that Valkyr isn't going to be a good health tank... these changes are likely going to push playing her as a shield gater. Which goes against the stated point of the invulnerability changes: to differentiate her gameplay and let players focus on her health tanking.


Pablo got enough complaints that DE is going to be looking into making more changes about her rework, as well as changes regarding health tanking as a whole.

[Carnasid]

Are we actually pretending that level cap grindslogs is what we should be judging viability against?

[Ittrix]

And that's why it's important we make the distinction.

[tv]

Originally posted by Carnasid:

Are we actually pretending that level cap grindslogs is what we should be judging viability against?

This entire community has been brainwashed by streamers.

I never even use Valkyr's 4. I only used her 1.

[Dracon]

Originally posted by tv:

Originally posted by Carnasid:

Are we actually pretending that level cap grindslogs is what we should be judging viability against?

This entire community has been brainwashed by streamers.

I never even use Valkyr's 4. I only used her 1.

Exactly, its so exhausting hearing this garbage all the time. I use her 4 though, with the Rage mod also. So Im excited for these changes

[Pakaku]

No, it's because lazy gamers use invincibility as a crutch to pretend they're good at an easy game

[Arch-Magos Wicked]

Originally posted by Carnasid:

Are we actually pretending that level cap grindslogs is what we should be judging viability against?

warframe has always had the problem of parroting their favourite streamer/content creators opinion instead of actually playing the game

judging viability against level cap is just the new wave of that

[Mr. Smiles]

They should just raise the level cap to the point that nothing is viable. 9 million sounds fine to me.

/Problem

[BoxxyB]

0.70% of the entire user base touched Valkyr in 2024. so its not lazy players, she is only played by people that like her. Meanwhile the top 5 frames all happen to be lazy AOE spam frames with the top 10 literally also all being spam AOE frames with the exception of non primed excal and volt because new players, so if you remove that the top 10 frames are literally identityless AOE spammers. honestly they should just delete Valkyr from the game. Its nice to come back and check on this game to see incredibly dumb decisions are still being made :)
besides the argument against valkyr players being lazy is invalidated by the fact that valkyr doesn't use any build or any weapon from the top 3 weapons in any of the 3 categories which all happen to be lazy aoe weapons with the exception of broken war in melees

[The Big Brzezinski]

Originally posted by Carnasid:

Are we actually pretending that level cap grindslogs is what we should be judging viability against?

Then what would you suggest judging viability against? If she can kill Sergeant, she's good enough? You test a thing against its most extreme use cases so you can know where its breaking point is. A frame that can do its thing in level cap grindslogs can do it anywhere.

[JCTiger0]

Originally posted by tv:

Originally posted by Carnasid:

Are we actually pretending that level cap grindslogs is what we should be judging viability against?

This entire community has been brainwashed by streamers.

I never even use Valkyr's 4. I only used her 1.

Originally posted by Arch-Magos Wicked:

Originally posted by Carnasid:

Are we actually pretending that level cap grindslogs is what we should be judging viability against?

warframe has always had the problem of parroting their favourite streamer/content creators opinion instead of actually playing the game

judging viability against level cap is just the new wave of that

While these are probably valid points in the wider community I feel the need to inform you that I don't watch streamers or follow any warframe content creators so they're entirely invalid in this thread. This is simply the opinion I formed as a Valkyr main, that likes taking my Valkyr into everything, after looking at some threads and doing the elite Temporal Archimedea today.

[Greyhawk The Angry]

Originally posted by JCTiger0:

Originally posted by tv:

This entire community has been brainwashed by streamers.

I never even use Valkyr's 4. I only used her 1.

Originally posted by Arch-Magos Wicked:

warframe has always had the problem of parroting their favourite streamer/content creators opinion instead of actually playing the game

judging viability against level cap is just the new wave of that

While these are probably valid points in the wider community I feel the need to inform you that I don't watch streamers or follow any warframe content creators so they're entirely invalid in this thread. This is simply the opinion I formed as a Valkyr main, that likes taking my Valkyr into everything, after looking at some threads and doing the elite Temporal Archimedea today.

There are Warframe streamers?

[TheTool]

Originally posted by Greyhawk The Angry:

Originally posted by JCTiger0:

While these are probably valid points in the wider community I feel the need to inform you that I don't watch streamers or follow any warframe content creators so they're entirely invalid in this thread. This is simply the opinion I formed as a Valkyr main, that likes taking my Valkyr into everything, after looking at some threads and doing the elite Temporal Archimedea today.

There are Warframe streamers?

No. Reb plays Warframe with Destiny 2 streamers.

[Greyhawk The Angry]

Originally posted by TheTool:

Originally posted by Greyhawk The Angry:

There are Warframe streamers?

No. Reb plays Warframe with Destiny 2 streamers.

But...but...but...why?!?

[MekaDovah]

Originally posted by Pakaku:

No, it's because lazy gamers use invincibility as a crutch to pretend they're good at an easy game

Isn't that what shield gating is?