Netracels - Gruzzling Problems

[Al]

Hello.
Today i was doing Netracels and suddenly Gruzzling spawns.
I tried to kill him like most of the time but the game spawned Exilus Leech Gruzzling.
With my Torid Incarnon build for corrosive and explosion it had zero effect on him.
I tried to use Glaive Prime (build is the same as every other typical glaive prime builld) and it also do nothing on him.
How can i improve and kill not only Gruzzling faster but his Jade / Exilus variant also?

[Al]

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Third one - Corrosive / Blast is better for me than using Viral so we all have different experience. For me Corrosive / Blast was a straight upgrade and Viral is trash for me now.
Keep in mind DE reworked Blast recently :)
If your Torid works good enough then good for you but i'm not going back to that.
I can try Viral / Fire but i think it's gonna be half as good as my current build.

I'm a bit confused on this. It's not a matter of elements "working better for you" because it's not something that changes in use per player. Corrosive deals extra damage to Grineer+Scaldra and depletes armor. Blast deals extra damage to Deimos Infested and causes damage from the effect. Only problem with blast is that it relies on high damage weaponry to make the blast effect worthwhile. It's why Gas is generally better than Blast still because that goes off headshots like Electricity.

The simple fact is that a Corrosive-Blast build will struggle to kill enemies like the Murmur fast enough because of their ridiculous HP pools. The only faction that doesn't get weakened by Viral's effect is the Deimos Infested. It weakens every other faction. Corrosive on the other hand doesn't do anything for factions with no armor resulting in a wasted element most of the time.

And yes Torid Incarnon is one of the top meta weapons in WF right now. It can melt 95%+ of the game's enemies with no issue. It'd be a much different situation if you tried your Corrosive-Blast build on a weapon like Baza Prime. You would see little to no effect on enemies. Where as a Viral+Heat Baza Prime would melt Murmur enemies even if you factor in the Viral damage reduction they have.

If you want to make your Blast builds more interesting try running Acuity stuff on them. Swap Multishot out for Galv Scope and your damage goes insanely high alongside hordes being wiped out from extreme damage Blast procs.



For Gruzzling the cube in the center is its weakpoint. It's weak to Electricity and Radiation. It has a hard damage cap that you can't breach past. Using Silence will stop it from splitting apart. For effects I can't remember if Viral even effects it. In SP around lvl 250 it should have within the 2M HP range. Overall you don't need to build for Elec or Rad to kill them even on SP. My Viral+Heat weapons still take them out even if they're the Leech variant. And as everyone else said: Laetum. I'd argue that's THE top weapon in WF just from all it can do and how it essentially can never run out of ammo as well as extremely high damage at a fast rate.

Thank u very much for all the information, i will keep it in mind and look at everything closer tomorrow.
For now i can only say thank u.
I don't understand tho, you said Viral is not working against him and then u said Viral+Heat melt him?
Hm, alright, i will try Laetum then, i wanna know why people like it so much haha

[TheMetalCorpser]

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Thank u very much for all the information, i will keep it in mind and look at everything closer tomorrow.
For now i can only say thank u.
I don't understand tho, you said Viral is not working against him and then u said Viral+Heat melt him?
Hm, alright, i will try Laetum then, i wanna know why people like it so much haha

If you don't have the Acuity mods they drop from 1999 enemies.

Viral procs work on normal Murmur enemies but I can't recall if Gruzzling resists Viral procs like Deimos Infected. He normally melted just from everyone on the squad ganging up on him. I don't bother going for him anymore since I have all arcanes from that location maxed out.

Laetum is honestly just busted. There's only a couple of enemies that can somewhat resist the damage output but even they fold under it quickly enough.

[tv]

throw a toxin amphor at them

[Al]

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Thank u very much for all the information, i will keep it in mind and look at everything closer tomorrow.
For now i can only say thank u.
I don't understand tho, you said Viral is not working against him and then u said Viral+Heat melt him?
Hm, alright, i will try Laetum then, i wanna know why people like it so much haha

If you don't have the Acuity mods they drop from 1999 enemies.

Viral procs work on normal Murmur enemies but I can't recall if Gruzzling resists Viral procs like Deimos Infected. He normally melted just from everyone on the squad ganging up on him. I don't bother going for him anymore since I have all arcanes from that location maxed out.

Laetum is honestly just busted. There's only a couple of enemies that can somewhat resist the damage output but even they fold under it quickly enough.

The topic is only about Gruzzling Eximus.
With every other enemy i have no problems dealing with.
Again - the topic is about Eximus Gruzzling, thank u for protip with viral on murmur but if Gruzzling resist Viral it's not gonna help me.

I like playing solo on this type of missions so no one gonna help me with Eximus Gruzzling - if eximus variantion of him spawns.
That's why i wanna know how to deal with his eximus variant.

About Laetum - Gruzzling Eximus is busted and have damage attenuation.
I will make some builds for Laetum and try it out - but again - i just wanted some protip how to kill faster Eximus Gruzzling.
To bypass his damage attenuation i need to properly build Laetum for low crit or something.

I see many people are telling me to use Viral + Heat but we need to deal with two things.
1. He is from Murmur faction and this are not the elements for murmur AND he probably resist Viral.
2. Damage Attenuation is making him harder to kill with high dps weapons.

I specificly asked for protip which weapon is IDEAL for killing his Eximus Variant.
I think i'm gonna check Laetum and other weapons others use for example Archon Hunts and mod them for specific element.
There are a couple of comments above that have a very good point about going around damage attenuation.

Anyway, thank u for your help and have a good day 🙏

[Al]

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Thank u very much for all the information, i will keep it in mind and look at everything closer tomorrow.
For now i can only say thank u.
I don't understand tho, you said Viral is not working against him and then u said Viral+Heat melt him?
Hm, alright, i will try Laetum then, i wanna know why people like it so much haha

If you don't have the Acuity mods they drop from 1999 enemies.

Viral procs work on normal Murmur enemies but I can't recall if Gruzzling resists Viral procs like Deimos Infected. He normally melted just from everyone on the squad ganging up on him. I don't bother going for him anymore since I have all arcanes from that location maxed out.

Laetum is honestly just busted. There's only a couple of enemies that can somewhat resist the damage output but even they fold under it quickly enough.

Hello again.
I checked Murmur Faction on the Simulacrum and EVERY Murmur enemy resist Viral.
I compared Viral+Heat with my Blast Torid and as i thought it's half as good as my build.
In the Topic of Gruzzling, sadly i don't have scans of his eximus variantion so i can't really check how good Laetum is for Eximus Gruzz.
But as i said before in this entire topic, Gruzzling have damage attenuation and it's much more visible in his more powerful eximus variant.
I think i will need something with Electric + Toxin damage which is good for going around damage attenuation.
Can u recommend me something maybe?

[TheMetalCorpser]

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Hello again.
I checked Murmur Faction on the Simulacrum and EVERY Murmur enemy resist Viral.
I compared Viral+Heat with my Blast Torid and as i thought it's half as good as my build.
In the Topic of Gruzzling, sadly i don't have scans of his eximus variantion so i can't really check how good Laetum is for Eximus Gruzz.
But as i said before in this entire topic, Gruzzling have damage attenuation and it's much more visible in his more powerful eximus variant.
I think i will need something with Electric + Toxin damage which is good for going around damage attenuation.
Can u recommend me something maybe?

They take less damage from Viral damage. They do not resist the proc. The proc of Viral makes enemies take more damage to their health. That includes healths like Grineer armor health and normal health like Corpus or unarmored Murmur. At one stack the enemy will take 100% more health damage for 6 seconds. Additional procs add 25% increased damage to health up to 325% with all 10 stacks. These do apply and work on Murmur enemies. This is easily noticeable on enemies like the Anatomizer who have massive HP pools and no weakpoint.

If you don't want to use Viral or Viral+Heat then that's fine. You'll just have to wait until someone else gives different advice or go back in the thread and try someone else's suggestion out.

[godsblade]

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Hello again.
I checked Murmur Faction on the Simulacrum and EVERY Murmur enemy resist Viral.
I compared Viral+Heat with my Blast Torid and as i thought it's half as good as my build.
In the Topic of Gruzzling, sadly i don't have scans of his eximus variantion so i can't really check how good Laetum is for Eximus Gruzz.
But as i said before in this entire topic, Gruzzling have damage attenuation and it's much more visible in his more powerful eximus variant.
I think i will need something with Electric + Toxin damage which is good for going around damage attenuation.
Can u recommend me something maybe?

maybe you will like arca titron ? it is easier to use than incarnon at least since you just slam lol, i mod mine for electric + corrosive (the toxin mixes with innate electric on slams + forced electric proc on slams)

i tested in simulacrum for gruzzler + eximus variant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyx8sFFhVWQ

jade should be easier than health leech eximus i think, considering it can outheal your attacks if you stand in the leech healing pools lol

it looks kinda stupid but it works + dont need to worry about charging incarnon

[Al]

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İlk olarak Al tarafından gönderildi:

Hello again.
I checked Murmur Faction on the Simulacrum and EVERY Murmur enemy resist Viral.
I compared Viral+Heat with my Blast Torid and as i thought it's half as good as my build.
In the Topic of Gruzzling, sadly i don't have scans of his eximus variantion so i can't really check how good Laetum is for Eximus Gruzz.
But as i said before in this entire topic, Gruzzling have damage attenuation and it's much more visible in his more powerful eximus variant.
I think i will need something with Electric + Toxin damage which is good for going around damage attenuation.
Can u recommend me something maybe?

maybe you will like arca titron ? it is easier to use than incarnon at least since you just slam lol, i mod mine for electric + corrosive (the toxin mixes with innate electric on slams + forced electric proc on slams)

i tested in simulacrum for gruzzler + eximus variant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyx8sFFhVWQ

jade should be easier than health leech eximus i think, considering it can outheal your attacks if you stand in the leech healing pools lol

it looks kinda stupid but it works + dont need to worry about charging incarnon

Thank u very much, i WILL try it since you provided vid proof of how good it is!
Damn, i need to test it out.
Also, thank u very much for the build and not using riven in the example.

[Al]

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Hello again.
I checked Murmur Faction on the Simulacrum and EVERY Murmur enemy resist Viral.
I compared Viral+Heat with my Blast Torid and as i thought it's half as good as my build.
In the Topic of Gruzzling, sadly i don't have scans of his eximus variantion so i can't really check how good Laetum is for Eximus Gruzz.
But as i said before in this entire topic, Gruzzling have damage attenuation and it's much more visible in his more powerful eximus variant.
I think i will need something with Electric + Toxin damage which is good for going around damage attenuation.
Can u recommend me something maybe?

They take less damage from Viral damage. They do not resist the proc. The proc of Viral makes enemies take more damage to their health. That includes healths like Grineer armor health and normal health like Corpus or unarmored Murmur. At one stack the enemy will take 100% more health damage for 6 seconds. Additional procs add 25% increased damage to health up to 325% with all 10 stacks. These do apply and work on Murmur enemies. This is easily noticeable on enemies like the Anatomizer who have massive HP pools and no weakpoint.

If you don't want to use Viral or Viral+Heat then that's fine. You'll just have to wait until someone else gives different advice or go back in the thread and try someone else's suggestion out.

I tested viral + heat but it's not effective in my case, well not as effective as my other builds.
Maybe i mod weapons wrong? Can you post your weapon choice + build for your Viral+Heat vs Gruzzling Eximus and how fast he die?
Thank u for your contribution.

[TheMetalCorpser]

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I tested viral + heat but it's not effective in my case, well not as effective as my other builds.
Maybe i mod weapons wrong? Can you post your weapon choice + build for your Viral+Heat vs Gruzzling Eximus and how fast he die?
Thank u for your contribution.

AX-52 used as the base test weapon. Simulacrum Steel Path setting turned on.

Regular Gruzzling set to lvl 200. Took 5 full mags to take out the regular Gruzzling with AX-52 using Radiated Reload, High Voltage, Serration, P. Shred, Vital Sense, Galv Scope, Galv Chamber, and Galv Aptitude. Took 13 full mags to take out the eximus Gruzzling with the same build from above. No outside buffs active just the mods on the gun.

Regular Gruzzling set to lvl 200. Took 4 1/2 full mags to take out the regular Gruzzling with AX-52 using Rime Rounds, Malignant Force, Thermite Rounds, P. Shred, Vital Sense, Galv, Scope, Galv Chamber, and Galv Aptitude. Took 12 full mags to take out the eximus Gruzzling with the same build from above. No outside buffs active just the mods on the gun.

Regular Gruzzling set to lvl 200. Took all mags and didn't take out the regular Gruzzling without refilling the ammo from the Simulacrum ammo spot. With the AX-52 using Rime Rounds, Thermite Rounds, Malignant Force, P. Shred, Galv Aptitude, Galv Chamber, High Voltage, and Vital Sense. Not going to bother testing that build against the eximus version when it couldn't kill the regular version before running out of ammo.



Based on those tests it would seem Viral procs either don't work on Gruzzling or have a reduced effect. Either way the Viral+Heat build took out the Gruzzlings faster than Radiation+Electricity build. Electricity's strong point relies on consistently landing headshots so the effect gets stronger. With Gruzzling trying to hit his weakpoint while he's on the move is a challenge. As I said before even if Gruzzling resists the effects of the Viral Proc the other Murmur enemies do not. Go into Simulacrum and test out a Corro+Blast build, a Rad+Elec build, and then a Viral+Heat build against Anatomizer. You'll kill Anatomizer much faster with the Viral+Heat build.

The differences could change depending on what type of weapon you use like a high powered gun such as a sniper but I still wouldn't suggest relying on Rad+Elec or Blast+Corro since there's a lot of enemies that won't be that bothered by those elements. Though Blast does shine with high powered shots like Snipers. Viral increases the damage taken by the vast majority of enemies in the game. There's a reason why it's the staple element to stick with.

Regardless you have 3 configs on guns so you could make a Blast+Corros, Viral+Heat, and some other build for every gun. Whatever you choose to do it's WF so you can make most builds work even on Steel Path. Just build how you want. If you have trouble with specific enemies like Gruzzling play public and the team will help you take them out.

[lil rat]

me when the gruzzling is guzzling

[C.D.J. Grazza]

Combine a slam attack build with your torid, perhaps? ggs
Nira's mods help those builds with extra slam damage, but yea those gruzzlings are tough, solo, because they run away!

[LarvaLounge]

About the Viral damage thing. If the enemy is resistant to Viral but not immune to the proc, then you still want SOME viral damage, enough to proc the status effect because the damage boost is too good to pass up, but you want the bulk of your damage to be something else. Preferably what the enemy is vulnerable to. In the case of Murmer, that would be Radiation and/or Electric.

Viral is very effective against Murmer, but you don't want it to be your main damage type.
Deimos Infested on the other hand, are totally immune to the proc.

[TheMetalCorpser]

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About the Viral damage thing. If the enemy is resistant to Viral but not immune to the proc, then you still want SOME viral damage, enough to proc the status effect because the damage boost is too good to pass up, but you want the bulk of your damage to be something else. Preferably what the enemy is vulnerable to. In the case of Murmer, that would be Radiation and/or Electric.

Viral is very effective against Murmer, but you don't want it to be your main damage type.
Deimos Infested on the other hand, are totally immune to the proc.

Viral is a combo element. There's no way to make another element get past it in damage because you're committing two elements to make one. Best you could do is do a second combo element to tie it with damage but that would mean dedicating four elements on your mod slots. Using three elements with mod slots is already a lot of space being used (Viral+Heat for example). Element mods have a higher chance of being chosen as the damage selected for the hit, and even more so for combo elements, but if you have full IPS on your gun, and Heat or Electricity, there's a good chance the damage will be one of those so you won't be outputting reduced damage from Viral damage hitting the Murmur.

[Al]

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Combine a slam attack build with your torid, perhaps? ggs
Nira's mods help those builds with extra slam damage, but yea those gruzzlings are tough, solo, because they run away!

I will probably try using Arca Titron build from the godsblade 👑 with a lil priming from my Torid.
Yeah, they are tough, but i had problem only with their eximus leech variant, not because they are fast but because the eximus was a bullet sponge immune to my weapons.
Thank u for the protips :-)