Honest, What are the real Trash tier weapons?

[KaZudra]

I'm talking the worst of the worst.
No 500 STR Chroma, No Saryn, No 200% Roar, No Mirage, and absolutely no Riven can actually save these things.
Absolute MR fodder.

I'll go first,
Cyanex fits this category, really fun idea of a homing pistol that shoots impact or Gas, Insanely weak on all fronts, small Mag and long reloads.
I gave it a good Roll Riven and a Nourish Chroma at 500%+ STR, Not even a 1500% Damage boost WITH a 200%+ Viral boost can help it at least one-clip a mid-level Steel Path enemy.

[Mr. Smiles]

Ignis Wraith.

*mic drop*

[Pakaku]

Pretty much anything can be built decently, Cyanex included... But I would say anything ancient when they were built with a 1.5x crit damage stat could count (Hind, Kraken, etc.)

[NocheLuz]

Me, who was using Cyanex all the time. It is kind of bad, yes. But it isn't trash. The normal shot does homing and deals a good amount of damage to the group of enemies. If you encounter 1 enemy, you can use alternative fire to shoot a very fast slashing bullet at them. It doesn't deal much damage but the slash status will tear them apart quite easily. And mostly you'll have to shoot 2 magazines to kill them due to the very low magazine it has.

[Nolo Contendere]

mk1 weapons?

[tv]

Sepulcrum for being poorly designed. the alt fire is so slow that the awful ammo primary fire mode will get there first, if another player doesn't kill everything first.

Ambassador. the alt fire is so broken in addition to consuming almost half the magazine along with a colossal reload and switch time, that instead of making a tenet version of this weapon, the devs stripped off the alt fire and renamed it the Tenet Flux Rifle and then for some puzzling reason gave the alt fire to zylok incarnon.

All of Teshin's login weapons. not only are they hideous, but the disc on the pistol Azima don't benefit from modding, so it's a glorified waste of ammo on top of having a low ammo cap. You have to wait hundreds of days just to get let down. It's not even good in conclave because people walk right by it and it doesn't even touch them. you'll run out of ammo long before you kill anyone.

not a weapon, but an arcane; primary round plated. so not only do you have to mod your weapon to have a massive fire rate and magazine size to actually use the arcane and get the largest bonus, limiting the number of rifles you can use, the arcane kicks in when you begin reloading, not at the end of the reload animation, so the actual max duration of the buff is minus whatever you weapons reload speed is. Talk about a slap in the face to anyone who wasted their citrine gems on this. That's how you know the devs didn't even test that one. It's such a pain in the neck to farm that few people have actually noticed the reload problem.

[Douchebag Extraordinaire]

Back in the day when DE wanted to do real life parallels, Seer (and by extension Lex) was god awful. Extremely low fire rate, slow reload, no crits, garbage status. It was just teeth grindingly frustrating to kill groups with it.

Kraken, Stug, Veldt, Alternox (sad), are others that come to mind. Man, I want to quit WF just thinking about how unwieldly they are.

Originally posted by Nolo Contendere:

mk1 weapons?

With incarnons, they're surprisingly pretty good. Have a meme loadout with Excal and all the starter weapons that can do natural endgame SP.

[Nolo Contendere]

Originally posted by Douchebag Extraordinaire:

With incarnons, they're surprisingly pretty good. Have a meme loadout with Excal and all the starter weapons that can do natural endgame SP.

I mean, sure (though I admittedly haven't done enough druviri to actually unlock one or decide on what my first will be), but at that point you aren't using a mk1 weapon are you?

[Recruit "THE NASCAR DRIVER"]

Originally posted by Nolo Contendere:

mk1 weapons?

Some of their incarnon actually makes them viable for steelpath even for a MK-1

which is kind of crazy that they get to be viable

[Douchebag Extraordinaire]

Originally posted by Nolo Contendere:

I mean, sure (though I admittedly haven't done enough druviri to actually unlock one or decide on what my first will be), but at that point you aren't using a mk1 weapon are you?

Meh, sometimes stepping down to trash level weapon tiers and being really good with them is entertaining, especially if you're petty like me and like to get majority damage/kills/headshots in a session with people rocking top tier gear.

MK-1s generally have decent performance and are reliable handling(good fire rate, good reload speed, nothing super wonky), boosting their damage in some way and adding a bit of AoE does wonders for them compared to weapons that have terrible handling (super long reload, low fire rate, wonky mechanics, etc).

Even without the passive incarnon buffs, they can clear the regular starchart and even do well in early/mid SP with basic builds and especially frame support. Again, all for the memes.

[ImCalledBethy/Sparklefarts5]

Originally posted by KaZudra:

I'm talking the worst of the worst.
No 500 STR Chroma, No Saryn, No 200% Roar, No Mirage, and absolutely no Riven can actually save these things.
Absolute MR fodder.

I'll go first,
Cyanex fits this category, really fun idea of a homing pistol that shoots impact or Gas, Insanely weak on all fronts, small Mag and long reloads.
I gave it a good Roll Riven and a Nourish Chroma at 500%+ STR, Not even a 1500% Damage boost WITH a 200%+ Viral boost can help it at least one-clip a mid-level Steel Path enemy.

The cyanex, is one of the best weapons to tear apart SP-Corpus. And, it's currently being used to lazy-clear the Belly of the Beast clan event.

The galvanized mods, arcanes, and incarnon attachments, are more than enough to make every weapon SP viable.

[Pakaku]

Originally posted by tv:

Sepulcrum for being poorly designed. the alt fire is so slow that the awful ammo primary fire mode will get there first, if another player doesn't kill everything first.

Asides from the alt-fire, which is more of a throwaway bonus, I'm seriously wondering how you're judging it as trash-tier

Originally posted by tv:

not a weapon, but an arcane; primary round plated. so not only do you have to mod your weapon to have a massive fire rate and magazine size to actually use the arcane and get the largest bonus, limiting the number of rifles you can use, the arcane kicks in when you begin reloading, not at the end of the reload animation, so the actual max duration of the buff is minus whatever you weapons reload speed is. Talk about a slap in the face to anyone who wasted their citrine gems on this. That's how you know the devs didn't even test that one. It's such a pain in the neck to farm that few people have actually noticed the reload problem.

Since it's reload-based, I wonder how it would work on the Reconifex, since it's another heavy assault rifle but it has a timed reload gimmick, which shortens the time by a lot

[Silenzeio]

No one seriously mentioning the Stug?

[[MadTs] Phyrys]

Originally posted by Silenzeio:

No one seriously mentioning the Stug?

I knew of a guy who had a stug able to delete anything he gazed upon. I suspect he got a godroll riven and rolled with statuts all the way down to hell.

[Nattfare]

The Plinx. Even Viito-R knows this thing sucks.

[Razer]

Cyanex? Well it's definitely not the best weapon, but it's not as bad as what OP puts up. Kills heavy gunner eximus units on SP level 200 with 1-2 mags. No warframe buffs, only gun arcanes. With buffs clears multiple level 200 eximus units without galvanized buildup in a single mag.

You can't kill one with warframe buffs and a riven? Build issue. Major build issue. Maybe even skill issue?

I would say Cyanex is kind of mid tier, there's plenty of weapons worse than that.