Despite the nerf on aoe weapons and ammo munitions pick up...

[Daegon]

Aoe weapons are still usable with a dedicated build on ammo economy and efficiency.
Want to use kuva bramma/zarr/ogris? Ammo drum (exilus), carrier prime and energized munitions are your new best friends. Aoe weapons can still be spammable.

My conclusion is that DE nerfed aoe weapons in the worst way possible, cuz the aoe meta it will be still there, a bit more annoying to use but it will be still there.

[**DeiRowtag]

It's a first step they said and they will proceed differently with more nerf/buff if it is not enough

[Fake]

You don't even need ammo drum. As long as you move forward and kill mobs, you won't run out of ammo.

[Donitsi]

Lets see first if AoE spam returns. I'm enjoying the silence and chance to actually see enemies for once. Before the update 96% of my Fissures missions had at least 2 players with Kuva Bramma or Kuva Ogris.

[Fake]

Originally posted by Donitsi:

Lets see first if AoE spam returns. I'm enjoying the silence and chance to actually see enemies for once. Before the update 96% of my Fissures missions had at least 2 players with Kuva Bramma or Kuva Ogris.

100% of public void fissures that I do, someone has a bramma/ogris.

[bro]

bro is complaining about easy relic grinding. when they are still getting all the drops.

[Ifeanyi]

Originally posted by **DeiRowtag:

It's a first step they said and they will proceed differently with more nerf/buff if it is not enough

Based on the review bombing, I'd say it was enough

[thommix777]

Time will show, DE has the statistics, if those weapons still show too much usage, expect more nerfs. Current changes didnt do much to anyone who has bit of knowledge how to play the game.

[Ittrix]

It's not even dedicated. You legit just need one mod. Either the one that comes with carrier or ammo mutation.

Like I've been saying, the changes did pretty much nothing but tick off people who liked the weapons. I'll be over here spamming volt's 4 to kill entire rooms of level 80 enemies. Let me know when AOE is actually gone.

[Ittrix]

Originally posted by Ifeanyi:

Originally posted by **DeiRowtag:

It's a first step they said and they will proceed differently with more nerf/buff if it is not enough

Based on the review bombing, I'd say it was enough

Check the languages. Most of the review bombing is from china over Monkee Frame which has a lot of links to china via folklore. Lot of love for country over there, since it's enforced by... not quite law.

[Lindo [EN][ES]]

Originally posted by Daegon:

Despite the nerf on aoe weapons and ammo munitions pick up...
Aoe weapons are still usable with a dedicated build on ammo economy and efficiency.
Want to use kuva bramma/zarr/ogris? Ammo drum (exilus), carrier prime and energized munitions are your new best friends. Aoe weapons can still be spammable.

My conclusion is that DE nerfed aoe weapons in the worst way possible, cuz the aoe meta it will be still there, a bit more annoying to use but it will be still there.

You are wrong, AoE change wasn't a nerf, it was balance. The ammo pick up wasn't nerf, it changed nothing, numerically is the same, but instead of receiving a lot of small quantities of ammo, you now receive once a huge amount of ammo, mathematically is the same, the difference is that way you don't spam AoE attacks, but you still have the same amount of ammo.

In other words, what DE did was to kill the spam, just that.

[wavel54]

Originally posted by Donitsi:

Lets see first if AoE spam returns. I'm enjoying the silence and chance to actually see enemies for once. Before the update 96% of my Fissures missions had at least 2 players with Kuva Bramma or Kuva Ogris.

^^

[Aleuvian]

Originally posted by Daegon:

Aoe weapons are still usable with a dedicated build on ammo economy and efficiency.
Want to use kuva bramma/zarr/ogris? Ammo drum (exilus), carrier prime and energized munitions are your new best friends. Aoe weapons can still be spammable.

My conclusion is that DE nerfed aoe weapons in the worst way possible, cuz the aoe meta it will be still there, a bit more annoying to use but it will be still there.

If AoE spam returns, Pablo has plans for more changes to AoE to bring it in line more aggressively. These are the tiny changes to make you have to activate at least one neuron while spamming AoE.

The next nerfs are things like explosives requiring line of sight to deal damage.