Are the Tenno Evil?

[JsWizZle]

Ive been loving this game so far with over 400+ Hours, Mastery Rank 9.

Now ever since I started this game the sotry itself seemed sketchy from the start.

You awaken in a random ass place presumably frozen. Why were they frozen in the first place? Were they too powerful? Could they not control themselves? If so, it would be likely that Captin Vor wishes to harvest this power for his own reasons. Who says these reasons are bad? We really no nothing about Vor rather than he wants to kill Tenno. However, Vor's mind is in the right place because based on the game, the Tenno really should be intergalactic most wanted criminals.

Lets look at the facts.

The Lotus
This ♥♥♥♥♥ just wakes you up and minutes into your first breath she tellin you how to kill people.
Like ♥♥♥♥ your health, much less your name. We are all just "Tenno" to her. It is revealed in a side quest that the Lotus used to be apart of a mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ gang. In the Natah quest it says that she used to be a Senitent and is partially responsible for the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fall of the Orokin Empire. In other words, she was the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hitler of the "Old War" The final part of her mission was to destroy the tenno but instead she wanted to become their Pimp err...I mean Mom. But why? Simple, the Tenno are the OP peice of ♥♥♥♥ youll ever find in the universe, who wouldnt wanna ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ own them? Maybe thats why the Sentient wants them destroyed in the first place. Maybe the whole cause of the old war was the sentient not approving of the Orokin ♥♥♥♥ heads creating such OP weapons and armor. Kind of like US not wanting anyone to have nuclear weapons. But here is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up part, if we do compare the Old War to the US vs whoever with nukes, imagine Obama going to war with another country because of their nukes, but instead takes the nukes for his own personal use. That's basically what the Lotus did with the Tenno. It was all apart of her master plan. Destroy the Orokin Empire because they are the only ones brilliant enough to develop these weapons, she realyed THAT message to her comrades but in secret she was planning to take the weapons for herself. After the destruction of the orokin emprie, the senitents learn of the Lotus's plan to take control over the warframes. The fellow sentients dissaporved so she ran away and locked away her past in vicious hole in which we now call Void, taking the new warframes with her. Since the warframes needed to be under her control she froze them in cryo sleep, erased their memories and started to download new ones. Over a certain amount of decades, she manages to download the parts of the Tenno mind that remember how to operate a warframe but before she has time to finish, the grineer race learn of the Lotus's evil plan and come have come to avenge the Senitents by destroying the OP Nukes we call Tenno. By this time the Lotus wakes up the Tenno and feeds him this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that the GRINEER are the evil ones and straight from the get go, forces you to murder them. From there the game begins. Soon youll start the Evil Missions.

The Evil Missons
(Exterminate)
You literally run in there and kill everyone on the ship, no intel recovered, nothing to be discovered. Who knows what that ship was for. It could have been a cargo ship delivering food to other, non-military, grineer citizens that are starving on the grineer home planet. Not to mention you do the same to the Corpus (who share the same cause as grineer but they do not befriend the grineer becasue of beef between them long before the Tenno were alive.)

Sabatoge
The mission prompt is to destroy corpus and grineer mining equipment. We literally deny them the right to hunt for recources to preserve their race.

Survival
Probably the most ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up thing of all. An undercover tenno operative is raiding the ship for supplies while you distract everyone. While the Tenno gets some half ass recources after about 20 minutes, chances are you would have murdered 400 people. If you are in a squad of 4 400 x 4 1600. 1,600 inncoent lives dead in 20 minutes. Under what cost? An Orokin Cell? Hell no. Why do we have to commit mass genocide in almost every mission when it is uneccasary. Why don't we raid the ship with the operative. (Of course the game wouldnt be fun that way but still its ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up)

So all in all, the Tenno are mindless killling machines who, from my observation, share no emotion or empathy for anyone but other Tenno. They do not eat, sleep, or rest. They don't even talk much. All they know is fine killing...and breathing.

So considering this evidence, what do you think? Are the Tenno evil?

[Sterling]

Silvus Sol eredeti hozzászólása:

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I just can't understand why Perrin is hated by Steel Meridian and The Artbiters, and why they are allied to space nazis. The capitalism does not interfere with the philosophy that The Arbiters teach or the Steel Meridian's protection.

[dyra55]

Envy eredeti hozzászólása:

I just can't understand why Perrin is hated by Steel Meridian and The Artbiters, and why they are allied to space nazis. The capitalism does not interfere with the philosophy that The Arbiters teach or the Steel Meridian's protection.

On one of the Devstreams, Steve said that it's because of their past of being a enemies
And also that they had to make someone to hate them to balance things up

[Silvus Sol]

dyrak55 eredeti hozzászólása:

Silvus Sol eredeti hozzászólása:

So, you want to be a "good" Tenno. Helping out the "good" Syndicates is about the only option we have right now.

But what about Perrin?

They aren't bad, but they are quite self-serving. Their top priority is profit. Thankfully they go about it in a much better way than the Corpus, prefering diplomacy to violence. They are more neutral than anything and they do provide a necessary service (trade). That said, they have chosen to ally themselves with some not-so-good people, and likely sell weapons to the Veil and Loka. That makes them indirectly responsible for any damage that the Loka and their muscle (Red Veil) do.

And what Envy said is right, they don't like eachother because of past issues. Although I really hope that they add a 7th Syndicate that allies with with Veil/Loka and the Perrin Sequence becomes a wholly neutral entity. It would make sense lore-wise and would mix things up a bit.

[IrationalFear]

Frankly, I don't understand how you make the propoganda jump to tag Loka as space Nazi's, and yet never notice that Arbiters advocate the strongest race in the game to be judge, jury, and executioner over every living thing. What's the difference between "Tenno master Race" and "Human master Race"? The idea of "free Tenno from restricitons of warrior methology" is to WORSHIP themselves. They have presumed this as "the Truth", and pursue any violent action, no matter how arbitrary it seeems from the players' end, to pursue this goal.
Your precious Suda speaks of non-violence, and then does what? The EXACT SAME THING that every other syndicate does: send off Tenno to execute hundreds of people at a time, or sending hitsquads against those who like her enemies. Maybe if her demands were in-line with knowledge gathering like Simaris, I might consider her honest...but that's a stretch for everything in this game, isn't it?
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hypocrits, most of these syndicates are. Only Merridean and Perrin make any sense, and of course they hate each other...

[Silvus Sol]

IrationalFear eredeti hozzászólása:

Frankly, I don't understand how you make the propoganda jump to tag Loka as space Nazi's, and yet never notice that Arbiters advocate the strongest race in the game to be judge, jury, and executioner over every living thing. What's the difference between "Tenno master Race" and "Human master Race"? The idea of "free Tenno from restricitons of warrior methology" is to WORSHIP themselves. They have presumed this as "the Truth", and pursue any violent action, no matter how arbitrary it seeems from the players' end, to pursue this goal.
Your precious Suda speaks of non-violence, and then does what? The EXACT SAME THING that every other syndicate does: send off Tenno to execute hundreds of people at a time, or sending hitsquads against those who like her enemies. Maybe if her demands were in-line with knowledge gathering like Simaris, I might consider her honest...but that's a stretch for everything in this game, isn't it?
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hypocrits, most of these syndicates are. Only Merridean and Perrin make any sense, and of course they hate each other...

Suda having the same mission types is simply because DE hasn't created unique missions for each Syndicate. It's a gameplay limitation, nothing more. Lore-wise she is a pacifist.

And the Arbiters don't want to kill everything that isn't a Tenno. They believe that the Tenno are superior lifeforms, and in some ways they are. Their self-worship might be a bit sketchy but it is their perogitive. They do seem interested in actual justice and balance though, and not a one-sided "be pure like us or die" stance that the Loka and Veil employ. Heck, even when sending an attack squad at you they speak as if they're hoping you change your ways, rather than wanting you dead and gone like the others.

[Drago]

Well, to be blunt, us Tenno are the closest thing, besides the Steel Meridian to heroes in the Warframe universe. That said, while I do not believe her current methods are outright evil, the Lotus is our director and basically, Leader. We took out the Orokin Elite because she ordered it, we went to sleep because she ordered it, we wake now and were pointed at the Grineer and Corpus because she ordered it. Your belief that the Tenno are evil and the missions themselves evil in nature is interesting but not by itself true. Our goal as a faction is balance and pulling the galaxy away from being enslaved by either the Grineer, Corpus, or turned into space zombies by the infested. While the Lotus did and does have reasons for us taking out the Orokin Elite, going into stasis, and even waking us up to do guerilla warfrare against the Grineer there is a plan and a reason.

The Natah quest is something of revelation of sorts but not that the Lotus was part of a gang or anything like that. Its more that the original Natah was a Sentient infiltration unit sent to take control of the Tenno and destroy both the Orokin Elite and the Tenno. Instead of doing this complete goal, she used us to destroy the Orokin Elite and then ordered us into stasis though the exact reasons why are as of yet unknown but will be partially revealed in the update 18 quest, the Second Dream. What could be gained from this is that the Tenno did not truely win the Old War quite as much as the Stalker and the Orokin Elite might have thought. Teshin and Ordis for instance were not aware of the events of the Natah storyline until they heard it in the mission and Teshin has been active like the Stalker since before the fall. That said, its understood that the Orokin Elite were sorta punks and karmically had it coming.

As far as labels go in the game; the religous types of the New Loka are not 'space nazis' that would obviously be the Grineer - its honestly part of their art descriptions- New Loka are a new age Perfection of Man cult; by the same token the also religious types of Corpus aren't 'space nazi' or space communist, they are a merchant cult that worships money and technology while brainwashing new recruits using Orokin tech they don't fully understand in their indoctrination cults located on Neptune. The infested are victims of a techno-organic nanobot/nanospore virus used by the Orokin to turn people into nearly feral killing machines originally as a weapon against the Sentients, without the Orokin Elite to control them, the infested spread across the Sol System causing havoc and swelling their numbers via basically being space zombies. The Steel Meridian are rebels from the facist Grineer empire that rescue and protect other groups and settlers against all enemies especially the Grineer. The Perrin Sequence believe that profit can be obtained without conflict or war-profiteering. The Arbiters of Hexis are Tenno and Tenno fans that believe that the Lotus is not fully to be trusted and that Tenno themselves should forge their own destiny and become leaders of the stars. Cuda wants knowledge but doesn't really go out of its way to kill others unless they get in the way of that. Red Veil are the closest to an evil faction in our supportors as they willfully torture, assassinate, and cause chaos but on the other hand protect and don't harrass innocents or civilians only military or leadship targets.

To summarize, Tenno and their supporters are not evil. We are maintainers of balance and most of our supporters are similarly dual sided in their motivations. Evil is doing something solely for our profit at the expense of others. In our missions we kill hundreds of space nazis, machine cultists, and space zombies so that the citizens of the Sol system aren't killed or enslaved. We sabotage resources for admitted evil empires so they don't do horrible things with those resources. We do survival missions to act as a distraction so that the real team can steal resources need for us and our allies. None of thes are inherently evil by their actions, unless any soldiers or agents in conflicts are by nature evil. The Tenno are the Heroes of this story, whether the story is black and white or layers of grey morality.