So the corpus are cyborgs, and the grineer are antlike clones so are the tenno the humans?

[[Khorne] Shits'N'Giggles]

When vor tries to capture you he says that he needs your blood to spawn more clones. So if the grineer were once human they would need human blood to produce viable clones. Meaning that the tenno must be the current humans and the warframes are just suits that compensate.

Am i correct?

[Chad Thundercock]

Автор сообщения: Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.

Grineer were created by Orokin. They are miserable clones that are almost mindless and used to do hardest work in the Empire. Now they are following ominous Twin Queens, but because of their unstable genefond and tendency to clone clones from clones they are degrading. They are incredibly fascist empire and are insanely xenophobic. Only individual grineer are smart enough to become commanders and reach at least normal human's intelligence.

Corpus are what was smugglers, traders and regular colonists during Orokin Era. Now they are... well, again, are smugglers, traders and regular colonists. They have a very strict communistic empire aand are only interested in making money and researching Orokin tech to make more money. They despise grineer who were the lowest class possible during Orokin Era and call them "dogs", so they're also racists to a certain degree, but they can hide it well. Sometimes.

Tenno are a bit harder. They are children, specifically bred and taken from certain families, sent into the Void on either not isolaated ships or ships that expose them to direct Void influence when they are inside the Immaterium. Some died, some survived, some went insane. Surviving ones gained insane powers. They get back to Orokin labs where they are trained, infected with Technocyte (sterile) and then fused with their Warframe of "choice". Then they become kinda Orokin's "spec ops", unseen and ominous Tenno, humanoid in nature, but not humans anymore. We were specifically created to wipe out Sentient.

Another interesting fact - apparently Orokin during certain period reincarnated humanity that either wiped out itself, got wiped out by other races or got destroyed by Orokin invaders to then be regrown as servants. So while we're all humanoids, nobody can tell how much of a "human" we are anymore. Especially considering the fact that Orokin had a tendency to experiment on humans genetics and breed new casts for specific purposes (Lora cast, Guardians, Tenno, Grineer, etc.). In fact, I suspect last surviving original huimans - are Sentient.

you my sir should be a book writer.

[Silvus Sol]

Автор сообщения: Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.

Автор сообщения: Incunabulum

Except that you don't (if you aren't irretrevably stupid to start with) make copies of copies of copies.

You take your original, make a working copy of it, and then store the original. When you need more copies, you take the original out and make a copy of that.

Grineer obviously don't need *whole* bodies, they only need a genome. So, scan that genome, store the scan data, and press 'print' everytime you need a new body.

You're right that its all fantasy anyway - but you have to do some contortions to get the 'degrading clone' story to work.

Yes, but grineer lost their original. In fact, I'm not sure they were ever aware how Orokin were cloning them to begin with, so they decided to go with the most crude way possible at the moment. They also can't preserve the "original" copy, because it's dissolved in the proccess. I'd like to also remind that grineer ARE insanely stupid in their mass. That's like their main trait, that's how they were made so they serve well.

Besides, I find this way to clone someone very cool, if a bit brutal.

Also, we have no way of knowing what actually would happen to a society based entirely on clones after thousands of generations. That's a long time and a lot can change, side effects could develop, etc. Plus, there may be some sort of genetic degredation in preserved material that we aren't aware of simply because we haven't kept anything in a freezer for a thousand years.

We just started to really understand genetics ourselves, and can hardly say what would and would not happen in a universe as crazy as Warframes.

[Drago]

Except for the Tenno being infected with technocyte, I think Vulbjorn has it pretty much on the money of what we know so far. Tenno are not infected with technocyte in the Warframe universe as far as we know (Though in DarkSector that was the case) but we do wear suits made up of infested tissues.

[Sterling]

So every warframe is technically an Infested?

[Incunabulum]

Автор сообщения: Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.

They also can't preserve the "original" copy, because it's dissolved in the proccess.

As I said - you have to do some serious contortions to make the 'degrading clone' trope work.

[Incunabulum]

Автор сообщения: Silvus Sol

Plus, there may be some sort of genetic degredation in preserved material that we aren't aware of simply because we haven't kept anything in a freezer for a thousand years.

You *don't* keep a sample in the freezer for a thousand years.

You scan the sample, store it as data, as multiple copies in multiple secure vaults, and use some heavy error correction tech (comparing multiple records, looking for potential errors that have creeped in due to, say, a stray cosmic ray).

*Then* you use your DNA/RNA synthesis machine to generate a fresh sample, inject it into an egg, jump start cell division, and Voila! - 9 months later you have a brand spanking new baby Grineer Lancer.

'Course, that's how *we* would do it - *IRL*. As I said, you have to go through a lot of contortions to use the 'degrading clone' trope. At least they didn't use the 'clone has the original's memories' trope.

[JinNJuice]

NnnNNN-DOES NOT COMPUTE.

[tutzdes]

Grineer - clones of clones and genetic degenerates mostly, generally not too clever. Grineer were working force caste turned Orokin military project. Failed as at seems and out of control. In contrast to most of them being dumb, some of the Grineer are VERY smart. Their scientists are very good at:
Augmentations - a lot of the Grineer are cyborgs, some are to the extent that a heavily augmented head is the only biological component left.
Production and Engineering - they have huge factories all over the Origin system, most powerful spaceships, asteroid mining facilities, vast research facilities.
Genetics - they are capable of reverse engineering of a lot of species (Drahk-Kubrow, Kavat) to make those serve them. Tyl Regor's is a brilliant scientist, most capable Corpus scientiests were forced to steal his data. Tenno constanly harrass his labs to halt the research which is dangerously close to fix the main Grineer flaws and make them mass produced supersoldiers.
Warfare - Grineer have highest variety of weaponry, brute force and support units. Only Grineer so far have mobile stealth detectors, wide scale usage of personal teleporters, cloaking technology, homing rockets, jetpacks (on planets).

Corpus are brainwashed baseline humans (except ruling elite), they are not as numerous as Grineer and are forced to use robotics. Most of their tech is reverse-engineered Orokin-era stuff. MOA and Ospreys are the replicas of Orokin-era robots. Also they use inferior versions of Orokin laser and energy projectile technology, portals, mind control (Alad V only). They seem to be a scavenger faction, uninventive and stagnant. Their best robots are made of scavenged tenno parts. All Alad V advances are an efforts to cannibalize old Orokin projects or new Grineer ones (infested, mind control, tenno-warframe tech).

Sentient - as it seems, based on the recent lore additions, these are failed (out of control) Orokin colonization-terraforming project. Orokin tried to produce extremely adaptable entities for long space journeys, converting planets into habitable worlds and making solar rails at the destination for fast traveling. Something gone wrong and Sentients almost wiped Orokin out. If these were humans initially, they are not more anymore.

Infested - failed biological warfare project. Out-of control.

Tenno - semi-failed void+low tech project. Worked good against Sentients initially but they are now out of control too. Not more humans than Sentients.

Conclusion: most of the warframe factions are the results of Orokin attempts to make living tools. One probable exception is a Corpus faction, which has very poor lore so far. So there's a posibility that the only relatively human faction are colonists, we know almost nothing about and can meet only in relays or as resque-capture missions (Syndicate, Maroo).