So the corpus are cyborgs, and the grineer are antlike clones so are the tenno the humans?

[[Khorne] Shits'N'Giggles]

When vor tries to capture you he says that he needs your blood to spawn more clones. So if the grineer were once human they would need human blood to produce viable clones. Meaning that the tenno must be the current humans and the warframes are just suits that compensate.

Am i correct?

[Vulbjorn]

Originally posted by Sir Anal Fungus Mc Dix:

During the quest Natah when you destroy the orokin ruins Tyl Regor says your destroying our history, so the tenno and grineer probaly had a common ancestor

Well, kinda. We're all humans (to some degree) here, after all. But Tyl probably refers to Orokin Empire.

Also, what is even that name, I have lost ability to even.

[[Khorne] Shits'N'Giggles]

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

Originally posted by Sir Anal Fungus Mc Dix:

During the quest Natah when you destroy the orokin ruins Tyl Regor says your destroying our history, so the tenno and grineer probaly had a common ancestor

Well, kinda. We're all humans (to some degree) here, after all. But Tyl probably refers to Orokin Empire.

Also, what is even that name, I have lost ability to even.

I dont quite understand who the orokin even were. Were they the corrupted in the void or were they just a precursor empire?

[Sterling]

Originally posted by Khorne:

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

Well, kinda. We're all humans (to some degree) here, after all. But Tyl probably refers to Orokin Empire.

Also, what is even that name, I have lost ability to even.

I dont quite understand who the orokin even were. Were they the corrupted in the void or were they just a precursor empire?

A glorious empire full o' cool stuff.

[Vulbjorn]

Originally posted by Khorne:

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

Well, kinda. We're all humans (to some degree) here, after all. But Tyl probably refers to Orokin Empire.

Also, what is even that name, I have lost ability to even.

I dont quite understand who the orokin even were. Were they the corrupted in the void or were they just a precursor empire?

Orokin are the guys who created pretty much everything you see right now, except some pre-orokin stuff. Even Grineer and Infested (who are just malfunctioned bioweapon, basically) Corrupted are not Orokin, but just random guys who wandered inside the Tower spaceships in the Void without permission, ensaved by Neural Sentry defense mechanism.

We don't really know who exactly Orokin were. I suspect they were, basically, aliens, and have quite a crazy theory about those guys.

[[Khorne] Shits'N'Giggles]

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

Originally posted by Khorne:

I dont quite understand who the orokin even were. Were they the corrupted in the void or were they just a precursor empire?

Orokin are the guys who created pretty much everything you see right now, except some pre-orokin stuff. Even Grineer and Infested (who are just malfunctioned bioweapon, basically) Corrupted are not Orokin, but just random guys who wandered inside the Tower spaceships in the Void without permission, ensaved by Neural Sentry defense mechanism.

We don't really know who exactly Orokin were. I suspect they were, basically, aliens, and have quite a crazy theory about those guys.

So pardon the reference but they are basically the forrunners?

[Vulbjorn]

Originally posted by Khorne:

So pardon the reference but they are basically the forrunners?

If you don't mind, could you explain what a forrunner, please?

[Sterling]

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

Originally posted by Khorne:

So pardon the reference but they are basically the forrunners?

If you don't mind, could you explain what a forrunner, please?

Halo Forerunners, I think.

From http://www.halopedia.org/Forerunner :
"The Forerunners reigned for millennia as the ascendant civilization in the galaxy until the activation of the Halo Array, their Pyrrhic solution to halt the Flood, in 97,445 BCE. Although they themselves are essentially extinct, evidence of their existence remained, spread across the galaxy in the form of numerous creations, installations and artifacts."

[[Khorne] Shits'N'Giggles]

Originally posted by Envy:

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

If you don't mind, could you explain what a forrunner, please?

Halo Forerunners, I think.

Yeah so the forerunners are basically the orokin, they created a bunch of different lifeforms and were a great species, but they died when they killed everything to destroy the flood (the equivilent of the infested)

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner

Damn was beaten to it.

[dyra55]

Originally posted by Khorne:

I dont quite understand who the orokin even were. Were they the corrupted in the void or were they just a precursor empire?

Orokin, well, they controlled the whole Origin System back in the day, used Void and build many Orokin Towers and had extremely advanced technology

Well, their empire ruined long-time ago, because Orokin had a war with an Sentients, named a Old War (or Great War), because Sentients had ability to convert any technology for their own use, Orokin as very technological race were suffering from great loses, they created Bio-weapon: Infested (Technocyte Virus), because of their primal nature they slowed Sentient's advance a bit, but Orokin suffered some loses from Infested too, because there are no way to control Infested
When they almost lost the war, they had to use the last resort: the failed experiments, the ones that even Orokin feared themselfes, they call them Tenno
They were the people who got their soul, mind and body twisted by the Void, Void gave them god-like powers, Orokin gave them Warframe armor and primitive weapons (Bullet weapons such as Braton, Lato and swords such as Skana)

well, these are some heavy spoilers

Tenno won the war and defeated the Sentients. Orokin started festive ceremony for their victory
But unexpectedly for everyone
Tenno killed last remaining Orokin leaders
And then they went to cryosleep after restoring balance for the Origin System once again
(The Second Dream)

[Vulbjorn]

Originally posted by Khorne:

Originally posted by Envy:

Halo Forerunners, I think.

Yeah so the forerunners are basically the orokin, they created a bunch of different lifeforms and were a great species, but they died when they killed everything to destroy the flood (the equivilent of the infested)

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner

Ah, Orokin are a bit different, but pretty much yes. They are precursor race that are insanely powerful and presumably advanced, but now they are all extinct. Spoiler of Orokin history down below.

Basically, here's the short summary of Orokin Empire. Humanity existed - then they dissapeared. Nobody knows why. (Though I suspect that Sentient are a group of last original humans, that escaped the Origin System to... run from something?) Orokin came and either were responsible for humanity's extinction or not. In any case, they ressurected us and started experimenting with genetics, at the same time creating a bunch of new and exciting technology, however, they were not that nice of guys. Then Sentient came and waged war on Orokin for unknown reasons (though, again, I have a theory if you're willing to listen). Orokin almost lost the war because being highly advanced race they used advanced equipment such as robots and AI driven ships to fight their enemies, who could just turn machines against them.

Orokin decided to first fight fire with fire and turned ancient virus (origins unknown) into what we know now as Technocyte Infestation, trying to destroy Sentient with them. Jokes on them, Infested got bored inside the labs and broke out, wiping out almost entire Outer Terminus colonies ring. So based on Infested technology they created the Tenno (how I explained before), gave us weapons that could not be controlled and sent us against Sentient and Infested. We wiped out Sentient, then culled some amount of Infestation and then Lotus, presumably, took control over us, somehow. Then, during Tenno Praising ceremony we killed all Orokin by Lotuses command (Who is a high-ranked Sentient. Was, at least) and sent empire into chaos. Then we went to sleep.

I think I'll put it all into a spoiler like Dyrak did.

Yeah, also, Zefar, if you're reading this thread. I'd like to apologize for my previous raging outburst. I deserve a ban, in all honesty.

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by Khorne:

When vor tries to capture you he says that he needs your blood to spawn more clones. So if the grineer were once human they would need human blood to produce viable clones. Meaning that the tenno must be the current humans and the warframes are just suits that compensate.

Am i correct?

Not even close.

1. Ants aren't clones.

2. You don't need *blood* to clone, you need genetic material. Which is inside all cell (except red blood cells which have no nucleus). Blood isn't even an easy way to get large amounts of genetic material as you have to seperate out all the stuff that isn't a white bloods cell (the vast majority of blood).

3. You don't need baseline human gentic material to clone. Really - the whole 'degrading clone' schtick of the Grineer in the lore shows a piss-poor understanding of how cloning works. If the Grineer have enough knowledge to clone on a large scale, the have enough knowledge of gentic engineering to create, from scratch, whole genomes.

4. The Corpus aren't cyborgs. And even if they were, there's nothing to prevent the biological part from being baseline human, augmented with machinery.

[Vulbjorn]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

3. You don't need baseline human gentic material to clone. Really - the whole 'degrading clone' schtick of the Grineer in the lore shows a piss-poor understanding of how cloning works. If the Grineer have enough knowledge to clone on a large scale, the have enough knowledge of gentic engineering to create, from scratch, whole genomes.

4. The Corpus aren't cyborgs. And even if they were, there's nothing to prevent the biological part from being baseline human, augmented with machinery.

Some nitpicking from me.

3. In grineer's case, you do need the human material to clone, because their cloning technology is based on duplicating, not cloning. So they stick one clone into a machine, scan it and make two out of it's geneseed and spare materials. I'd like to also add that Grineer are generally very stupid (as you can see from Tyl's letter to some officer, that guy can even barely read) and all of their technology is roughly based on salvaged Orokin tech that was in use for few thousands years without much upgrading, as they barely understand how it works and what is human body consists of on molecular level. Additionally, it's a sci-fi world where anything can happen.

4. Corpus are partially cyborgs, though mostly they are fully clean humans. They have bionic spines. That's about it. Maybe there are also some implants we're not aware of.

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

Some nitpicking from me.

3. In grineer's case, you do need the human material to clone, because their cloning technology is based on duplicating, not cloning. So they stick one clone into a machine, scan it and make two out of it's geneseed and spare materials. I'd like to also add that Grineer are generally very stupid (as you can see from Tyl's letter to some officer, that guy can even barely read) and all of their technology is roughly based on salvaged Orokin tech that was in use for few thousands years without much upgrading, as they barely understand how it works and what is human body consists of on molecular level. Additionally, it's a sci-fi world where anything can happen.

Except that you don't (if you aren't irretrevably stupid to start with) make copies of copies of copies.

You take your original, make a working copy of it, and then store the original. When you need more copies, you take the original out and make a copy of that.

Grineer obviously don't need *whole* bodies, they only need a genome. So, scan that genome, store the scan data, and press 'print' everytime you need a new body.

You're right that its all fantasy anyway - but you have to do some contortions to get the 'degrading clone' story to work.

[Vulbjorn]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

Except that you don't (if you aren't irretrevably stupid to start with) make copies of copies of copies.

You take your original, make a working copy of it, and then store the original. When you need more copies, you take the original out and make a copy of that.

Grineer obviously don't need *whole* bodies, they only need a genome. So, scan that genome, store the scan data, and press 'print' everytime you need a new body.

You're right that its all fantasy anyway - but you have to do some contortions to get the 'degrading clone' story to work.

Yes, but grineer lost their original. In fact, I'm not sure they were ever aware how Orokin were cloning them to begin with, so they decided to go with the most crude way possible at the moment. They also can't preserve the "original" copy, because it's dissolved in the proccess. I'd like to also remind that grineer ARE insanely stupid in their mass. That's like their main trait, that's how they were made so they serve well. Also, you reminded me of this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjz_eFFoWAE

Besides, I find this way to clone someone very cool, if a bit brutal.

[dyra55]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

Except that you don't (if you aren't irretrevably stupid to start with) make copies of copies of copies.

But Grineer do, lol