Why does Stalker hunt you for killing infested bosses???

[Raptor]

I recently killed Phorid and Jordas Golem and when I did (last run for the day) I got two death mark messages one for Jordas and one for Phorid. They are infested why does he care???

[Vulbjorn]

Originally posted by Vi:

Originally posted by Kromblite:

Except the Grineer were sentient. That's a huge difference right there.

You're blaming Orokin for exploiting Grineer?

This day and age, Grineer is exploiting themselves, cloning themselves, brainwashing them to just be another canon fodder for the higher up's agenda.

What's the difference there then?

This example is like saying -
White people owning black people as slave is wrong.
So Black people owning Black people as slave is a-okay.

Well, the difference here - Grineer were pushed towards it. They didn't became what they are right now out of nothing. And, don't forget - they are still, to this exact day, under control of two last remaining Orokin Nobilite, the enigmatic Twin Sisters. Essentially, they are still slaves. They just didn't realize it yet. But then again, they were made to be stupid, created unable to realize.

[Kromblite]

Originally posted by Vi:

This example is like saying -
White people owning black people as slave is wrong.
So Black people owning Black people as slave is a-okay.

No, it's like saying "white people owning black people as slaves is wrong" and then stopping there, because not once did I ever condone what the grineer are doing. Besides, apparently their current leader, the queens, are... wait for it... more orokin.

[Shadowy The Insane Bovinemancer]

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

Originally posted by Shadow Stalker:

and what when the robotics of today are sentient and still are doing the work. whats the difference then? whats the difference between the old grineer are the corpus proxies? the proxies seems to have some amount of sentient, even feeling (go to a relay and pay the PS a visit

We're going quite metalogical here, and I'm afraid the question you're asking has no answer, because essentially you just asked "What is life and what could be considered sentience?".

Can I be considered human if I'm in human body? Absolutely. What if I replace a leg? I'm a cyborg, but still human. What if my entire body is robotic, but only brain is organic. Can I be considered human? What if I download my consciousness onto a chip and install it into a robotic body, promptly destroying the brain afterwards. It still will be ME, I will consider myself as Myself, but will I be human? Essentially, there's no objective answer, because truth differs in the eyes of the beholder. At this point we're talking about highly subjective and phylosophical issue.

i consider sentience anything that can think for itselfl

Originally posted by Kromblite:

Originally posted by Vi:

This example is like saying -
White people owning black people as slave is wrong.
So Black people owning Black people as slave is a-okay.

No, it's like saying "white people owning black people as slaves is wrong" and then stopping there, because not once did I ever condone what the grineer are doing. Besides, apparently their leader, the queens, are... wait for it... more orokin.

yes, orokin outcasts

[Kromblite]

Originally posted by Shadow Stalker:

i consider sentience anything that can think for itselfl

That in itself is pretty vague. Can a computer think for itself? If so, does that qualify as sentience? I would say yes to the former and no to the latter, but these words are vague.

Originally posted by Shadow Stalker:

yes, orokin outcasts

Still orokin.

[Monarch]

Originally posted by Kromblite:

No, it's like saying "white people owning black people as slaves is wrong" and then stopping there, because not once did I ever condone what the grineer are doing.

You're shooting your own foot here.

Not once did you condone what the Grineer are doing, then your statement should've just been.
"Owning slaves is wrong". There's no point bringing Orokin up, saying how they're evil. Because essentially Orokin and Grineer did the same thing.

Originally posted by Kromblite:

Originally posted by Shadow Stalker:

yes, orokin outcasts

Still orokin.

It's not 'Still Orokin'.

This is like saying Lotus is 'still a Sentient', and we should still kill her at some point.

[Kromblite]

Originally posted by Vi:

Not once did you condone what the Grineer are doing, then your statement should've just been.
"Owning slaves is wrong". There's no point bringing Orokin up, saying how they're evil. Because essentially Orokin and Grineer did the same thing.

No point bringing the orokin up? The whole point of the discussion is to discuss the moral character of the orokin! Just saying that "owning slaves is wrong" without connecting it to the orokin would be changing the subject!

[Shadowy The Insane Bovinemancer]

Originally posted by Kromblite:

Originally posted by Shadow Stalker:

i consider sentience anything that can think for itselfl

That in itself is pretty vague. Can a computer think for itself? If so, does that qualify as sentience? I would say yes to the former and no to the latter, but these words are vague.

Originally posted by Shadow Stalker:

yes, orokin outcasts

Still orokin.

not real orokin, they weren't considered orokin by the executors. only by their father

[Kromblite]

Originally posted by Vi:

This is like saying Lotus is 'still a Sentient', and we should still kill her at some point.

No, it's like saying that Lotus is 'still a Sentient' and then stopping there, because I'm not jumping to conclusions like you are.

[Vulbjorn]

Originally posted by Kromblite:

Originally posted by Vi:

Not once did you condone what the Grineer are doing, then your statement should've just been.
"Owning slaves is wrong". There's no point bringing Orokin up, saying how they're evil. Because essentially Orokin and Grineer did the same thing.

No point bringing the orokin up? The whole point of the discussion is to discuss the moral character of the orokin! Just saying that "owning slaves is wrong" without connecting it to the orokin would be changing the subject!

Well, to be honest, point of this discussion is to answer "why Stalker bothers if we kill infested bosses". We just decided to go into metaphilosphy and xeno-politics all of a sudden.

I don't mind. Beats discussing real life events.

[Monarch]

Originally posted by Kromblite:

Originally posted by Vi:

It's not 'Still Orokin'.

Um, yes they are. That's made pretty clear.

Originally posted by Vi:

This is like saying Lotus is 'still a Sentient', and we should still kill her at some point.

No, it's like saying that Lotus is 'still a Sentient' and then stopping there, because I'm not jumping to conclusions like you are.

No one is jumping to conclusion. The only thing I'm not doing, is shoving my head up my rear.

An Orokin outcast, is different than an Orokin.

A Sentient who betrayed Sentients, are not considered an ally by the Sentient themselves.
Stop trying to 'stopping there', and cut out the rest of the context.

[Vulbjorn]

Guys, it's getting a bit hot in here. Release a bit of steam, I sense a fight coming. Don't forget, we're still discussing subjective moral dillemmas based around fictional characters in a video game (additionally, we have very little access to full information required to properly discuss all this stuff, like, for example "What else did Orokin do so horribly wrong that we must hate them?").

[Kromblite]

Originally posted by Vi:

No one is jumping to conclusion. The only thing I'm not doing, is shoving my head up my rear.

An Orokin outcast, is different than an Orokin.

A Sentient who betrayed Sentients, are not considered an ally by the Sentient themselves.
Stop trying to 'stopping there', and cut out the rest of the context.

How is an orokin outcast different than an orokin? That sounds like a "no true scotsman" to me.

And nobody's "shoving their head up their rear". Like Vulbjom said, there's no need to get heated. We're just discussing game lore here.

[Vulbjorn]

Originally posted by Kromblite:

Originally posted by Vi:

No one is jumping to conclusion. The only thing I'm not doing, is shoving my head up my rear.

An Orokin outcast, is different than an Orokin.

A Sentient who betrayed Sentients, are not considered an ally by the Sentient themselves.
Stop trying to 'stopping there', and cut out the rest of the context.

How is an orokin outcast different than an orokin? That sounds like a "no true scotsman" to me.

By the way, I always wanted to ask - what is that facinating bird/crab like creature on your profile image?

[Kromblite]

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

By the way, I always wanted to ask - what is that facinating bird/crab like creature on your profile image?

It's a Kromblite, a creature I made up for an old story of mine. That story is what led me into game development, actually.

Since the name is made up, it's never taken as a username, so it sort of became my persona.

[Phetaduck]

Lorewise, because he's insane. Truth is, gameplay over lore. Mechanic of freely choosing bosses to farm for Stalker is more important than some lore.