Strun Prime Incarnon - What am I missing?

[Razer]

So this weapon is supposedly one of the more powerful Incarnon weapons, but so far I found it very underwhelming. Yes it orange crits in Incarnon form and sometimes red if you use vigilante or other boosts. I have no riven to boost this weapon further, but it seems to perform very similar to the Envoy, which I also found underwhelming.

I tested it on Steel Path vs level 150+ enemies. Takes forever to kill some enemies with the incarnon form. Especially Eximus. They just kinda laugh at me while they take only 20% damage to their overguard per hit.

Config I'm currently using:
Galvanized Hell, Primed Ravage, Critical Deceleration, Primed Point Blank, Frigid Blast, Toxic Barrage, Hunter munitions, Vigilante Armaments.
Arcane: Primary Merciless
Incarnon options: Blazing Barrel, swift deliverance, commodore's fortune

But damage is just really poor in incarnon form. I get better results killing stuff just using the non incarnon form.

Now of course I can use Saryn and make everything look like it's made out of paper. But I can do that with most weapons.

Can anyone tell me what I'm missing. Or maybe using the weapon wrong. I dunno.

[AllergicToBrainRot]

I used this one https://overframe.gg/build/684183/strun-prime/corrosive-blast-strun-incarnon/ I replaced the primed cleanse mod with a riven that i am still rerolling for crit damage. SP stalkers get melted by it. Make sure to read the guide for the best evolution's.

Do know OverFrame has outdated-bad builds and good builds, the one i linked is on latest game version. For what I can tell; sturn prime incarnon form is for high status % effects.

[Kawalorn]

Probably won't help you much, but you can replace Primed Point Blank with Semi-Shotgun Cannonade, for more damage, punch-through and neutralizing that Critical Deceleration debuff.

[Ittrix]

Originally posted by I-sell-diet-water:

Do know OverFrame has outdated-bad builds and good builds, the one i linked is on latest game version. For what I can tell; sturn prime incarnon form is for high status % effects.

Overframe is fine... so long as you have a good idea of what you're doing in the first place.
Bad builds generally outnumber the good builds, and votes are often faked or from long, long ago.
So long as you can recognize a bad build, it's great.

Barring that, the most highly voted users for any given good thing are either Ninjase or THeMooN.
Ninjase usually knows his stuff. Whenever he makes a poor decision in his builds it's liable to get fixed if and when it's pointed out.
THeMooN... his builds aren't all horridly wrong from the start... but they are usually 'off' in some sense, or made for a specific purpose/playstyle that isn't the most effective. I would usually steer clear.

The build linked above is actually one of two builds Ninjase made for the Strun. That one's made moreso for horde clearing.
Here's the original.[overframe.gg]
I don't even have a strun prime. Just to help you navigate Overframe.

[Douchebag Extraordinaire]

Galvanized Savvy instead of Primed Point Blank or switch to Shotgun Vendetta if you're dead set on keeping it on. Throw on a Sweeping Serration for more slash damage.

My build kills level 200 heavies with one to two shots on average, with a full fury Chroma, can kill 20 L200 heavies just as fast as a full fury Chroma throwing full build Glaive P, even without primers.

[Kawalorn]

Originally posted by Douchebag Extraordinaire:

Throw on a Sweeping Serration for more slash damage.

I don't think Sweeping Serration will help on a pure impact incarnon.

[Razer]

Originally posted by Douchebag Extraordinaire:

Galvanized Savvy instead of Primed Point Blank or switch to Shotgun Vendetta if you're dead set on keeping it on. Throw on a Sweeping Serration for more slash damage.

My build kills level 200 heavies with one to two shots on average, with a full fury Chroma, can kill 20 L200 heavies just as fast as a full fury Chroma throwing full build Glaive P, even without primers.

I'm actually looking to maximize the Incarnon form and Sweeping serration and Galvanized Savy doesn't do anything on incarnon form.

[Razer]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

Originally posted by I-sell-diet-water:

Do know OverFrame has outdated-bad builds and good builds, the one i linked is on latest game version. For what I can tell; sturn prime incarnon form is for high status % effects.

Overframe is fine... so long as you have a good idea of what you're doing in the first place.
Bad builds generally outnumber the good builds, and votes are often faked or from long, long ago.
So long as you can recognize a bad build, it's great.

Barring that, the most highly voted users for any given good thing are either Ninjase or THeMooN.
Ninjase usually knows his stuff. Whenever he makes a poor decision in his builds it's liable to get fixed if and when it's pointed out.
THeMooN... his builds aren't all horridly wrong from the start... but they are usually 'off' in some sense, or made for a specific purpose/playstyle that isn't the most effective. I would usually steer clear.

The build linked above is actually one of two builds Ninjase made for the Strun. That one's made moreso for horde clearing.
Here's the original.[overframe.gg]
I don't even have a strun prime. Just to help you navigate Overframe.

That's a non incarnon build. Which is fine, but not what I'm looking for.

[Razer]

Originally posted by I-sell-diet-water:

I used this one https://overframe.gg/build/684183/strun-prime/corrosive-blast-strun-incarnon/ I replaced the primed cleanse mod with a riven that i am still rerolling for crit damage. SP stalkers get melted by it. Make sure to read the guide for the best evolution's.

Do know OverFrame has outdated-bad builds and good builds, the one i linked is on latest game version. For what I can tell; sturn prime incarnon form is for high status % effects.

Thanks I'll give this a go. But if I need a riven to get this thing rolling then it's kind of meh isn't it?

[jonnin]

Originally posted by Razer:

Originally posted by I-sell-diet-water:

I used this one https://overframe.gg/build/684183/strun-prime/corrosive-blast-strun-incarnon/ I replaced the primed cleanse mod with a riven that i am still rerolling for crit damage. SP stalkers get melted by it. Make sure to read the guide for the best evolution's.

Do know OverFrame has outdated-bad builds and good builds, the one i linked is on latest game version. For what I can tell; sturn prime incarnon form is for high status % effects.

Thanks I'll give this a go. But if I need a riven to get this thing rolling then it's kind of meh isn't it?

Not entirely. at least 3 of my top 5 guns would not work as well without a riven. Even with the lowest disposition, a riven gives you 3 for the price of 1 because you only have so many mod slots. A little bit of punch through tagging along on a weak damage buff can mean a lot to performance ... my shotgun can hit 4,5 enemy at a time thanks to riven punch thru and the same mod also buffs its multishot...

[FubarOne]

Switch out Primed Point Blank for Galvanized Savvy, replace viglante armaments for a faction mod or a riven if you get one, consider Primary Deadhead instead of merciless, unless you really want the reload speed which would be understandable for a single reloader like Strun Prime.

[Razer]

Originally posted by FubarOne:

Switch out Primed Point Blank for Galvanized Savvy, replace viglante armaments for a faction mod or a riven if you get one, consider Primary Deadhead instead of merciless, unless you really want the reload speed which would be understandable for a single reloader like Strun Prime.

Galvanized savy doesn't work with incarnon form though.

[Douchebag Extraordinaire]

Originally posted by Kawalorn:

Originally posted by Douchebag Extraordinaire:

Throw on a Sweeping Serration for more slash damage.

I don't think Sweeping Serration will help on a pure impact incarnon.

The radius explosion is where the most damage is and the slash procs will happen much more often even if you have a high crit riven on top of critical delay (have a %111+ crit chance that I'm using for testing). Replacing hunter's munition for it will net more slash procs.

[Sephylon]

Originally posted by Kawalorn:

Originally posted by Douchebag Extraordinaire:

Throw on a Sweeping Serration for more slash damage.

I don't think Sweeping Serration will help on a pure impact incarnon.

Strun incarnon is only pure impact on direct hit, its radius is slash puntcure blast, weighted more towards slash.

Originally posted by Razer:

Originally posted by Ittrix:

Overframe is fine... so long as you have a good idea of what you're doing in the first place.
Bad builds generally outnumber the good builds, and votes are often faked or from long, long ago.
So long as you can recognize a bad build, it's great.

Barring that, the most highly voted users for any given good thing are either Ninjase or THeMooN.
Ninjase usually knows his stuff. Whenever he makes a poor decision in his builds it's liable to get fixed if and when it's pointed out.
THeMooN... his builds aren't all horridly wrong from the start... but they are usually 'off' in some sense, or made for a specific purpose/playstyle that isn't the most effective. I would usually steer clear.

The build linked above is actually one of two builds Ninjase made for the Strun. That one's made moreso for horde clearing.
Here's the original.[overframe.gg]
I don't even have a strun prime. Just to help you navigate Overframe.

That's a non incarnon build. Which is fine, but not what I'm looking for.

Build in the link is an incarnon build

[Razer]

Originally posted by Sephylon:

Originally posted by Kawalorn:

I don't think Sweeping Serration will help on a pure impact incarnon.

Strun incarnon is only pure impact on direct hit, its radius is slash puntcure blast, weighted more towards slash.

Originally posted by Razer:

That's a non incarnon build. Which is fine, but not what I'm looking for.

Build in the link is an incarnon build

Yea I was thrown off by the sweeping serration mod, but the AoE of the incarnon form does have a slash proc. I'm trying the status build and it does seem to be a little better. But gettin the weapons incarnon meter up is a real b*tch. Vs infested the weapon is near useless. And shooting anything outside the range of 15 meters means no headshot. You got to walk upto people face to face and then hit them in the face and if it isn't a heavy gunner or whatnot you get like 1% incarnon form meter charge. Jesus.

[Kobalobasileus]

I agree with you OP. I find the Felarx and Boar Prime Incarnon both outperform the Strun within the pump shotgun weapon class.

A lot of people whom min max these things use highly specific frame loadouts, so if you aren't getting a weapon to perform, it mightly "only" be good in the hands of a specific frame using specific arcanes.