Trumna prime still has awful rate of fire.

[Corinarh]

Who said that we need 50 more mag size and -1sec reload speed? It's barely upgrade over original version, CC is the same. What a disappointment.
I hate how you are forced to use Wisp/Gauss/Harrow with that gun otherwise it's not fun at all.

[Guus]

Reinforced Bond is a Companion mod that increases the owner's Fire Rate when the companion's maximum Shields or current Shields (including Overshield) exceed 1200.

[Guus]

Arcane Acceleration On Critical Hit:
30% chance for +90% Fire Rate to Primary Weapons (Excludes Shotguns) for 9s

[Corinarh]

Originally posted by Guus:

Reinforced Bond is a Companion mod that increases the owner's Fire Rate when the companion's maximum Shields or current Shields (including Overshield) exceed 1200.

And when your sentinel/pet dies then you are stuck with useless lmg. There is one exception that is Vulpa that can't die and even if it dies it regenerates so you firerate buff is back, but i don't need viral since i'm using nourish on most of my frames so yeah not so great i wish we could change element of his quills.

Originally posted by Guus:

Arcane Acceleration On Critical Hit:
30% chance for +90% Fire Rate to Primary Weapons (Excludes Shotguns) for 9s

It takes precious arcane slot i would rather use another weapon with already better rof and two free arcane slots than mediocre and slow rof gun and just one free arcane slot

[Razer]

Originally posted by Corinarh:

Originally posted by Guus:

Reinforced Bond is a Companion mod that increases the owner's Fire Rate when the companion's maximum Shields or current Shields (including Overshield) exceed 1200.

And when your sentinel/pet dies then you are stuck with useless lmg. There is one exception that is Vulpa that can't die and even if it dies it regenerates so you firerate buff is back, but i don't need viral since i'm using nourish on most of my frames so yeah not so great i wish we could change element of his quills.

Originally posted by Guus:

Arcane Acceleration On Critical Hit:
30% chance for +90% Fire Rate to Primary Weapons (Excludes Shotguns) for 9s

It takes precious arcane slot i would rather use another weapon with already better rof and two free arcane slots than mediocre and slow rof gun and just one free arcane slot

Pets don't die anymore. Trumna Prime has a boost on most stats and disposition is the same. It's an upgrade to the original. Just put some firerate on it or use the arcane if you want it to shoot faster. Depending on your Frame you don't need specific arcanes on there. Unless you main like one single frame. But then that's more of a "you" problem then.

[tv]

same crap with zylok prime. 50% more magazine size, so 50% longer to stack maulers magazine when you accidentally trigger a manual reload and delete the buff.

[Corinarh]

Originally posted by Razer:

Originally posted by Corinarh:

And when your sentinel/pet dies then you are stuck with useless lmg. There is one exception that is Vulpa that can't die and even if it dies it regenerates so you firerate buff is back, but i don't need viral since i'm using nourish on most of my frames so yeah not so great i wish we could change element of his quills.


It takes precious arcane slot i would rather use another weapon with already better rof and two free arcane slots than mediocre and slow rof gun and just one free arcane slot

Pets don't die anymore. Trumna Prime has a boost on most stats and disposition is the same. It's an upgrade to the original. Just put some firerate on it or use the arcane if you want it to shoot faster. Depending on your Frame you don't need specific arcanes on there. Unless you main like one single frame. But then that's more of a "you" problem then.

Pets do die but will automatically revive after 30secs and in all that time you will be left with atrocious basic rof. I won't waste my arcane since i need 2nd slot so i will just keep using my acceltra prime or any other gun with already good enough rof. They improved all things of Trumna but not the most crucial that is super slow rof. DE never fails to disappoint with their prime weapons.

[Zahkriin]

The standart weapon wasn't terrible to start with, so no big buffs where to be expected.

i would have preferd a sidegrade though, almost like the acceltra (fire rate nerfs just don't feel great)

also if you have a good riven the higher disposition of the standart version outweigh the slight buff to the prime... currently

[romy]

Originally posted by Corinarh:

And when your sentinel/pet dies then you are stuck with useless lmg. There is one exception that is Vulpa that can't die and even if it dies it regenerates so you firerate buff is back

it was changed for quite some time now, pets can't die anymore when you don't revive them, they automatically revive infinitely.

[[Meyo]Frakura]

Dunno bout you but if every gun shoot fast there is not alot of identity to it.

[crimsonspartan1]

Main appeal of the Trumna Prime compared to regular Trumna is it's reduced reload speed (4 seconds instead of five which is still pretty eh) and 25% increased magazine count I feel like? I really wish it had slightly more firerate and a 4%-8% increase to it's primary crit chance but aside from some really minor base damage increase, +0.2x crit multiplier on primary fire and a small status chance buff on primary fire, it's not too much of an upgrade from the original.

I also have a riven for the Trumna so I feel like the OG Trumna's just gonna be way better for me to use atm cus the Trumna Prime is stuck with lowest riven disposition possible due to it being a new weapon and that dispo won't be seeing a buff until like February next year since they just did the riven dispo update today and they happen every 3 months

[Razer]

Originally posted by crimsonspartan1:

Main appeal of the Trumna Prime compared to regular Trumna is it's reduced reload speed (4 seconds instead of five which is still pretty eh) and 25% increased magazine count I feel like? I really wish it had slightly more firerate and a 4%-8% increase to it's primary crit chance but aside from some really minor base damage increase, +0.2x crit multiplier on primary fire and a small status chance buff on primary fire, it's not too much of an upgrade from the original.

I also have a riven for the Trumna so I feel like the OG Trumna's just gonna be way better for me to use atm cus the Trumna Prime is stuck with lowest riven disposition possible due to it being a new weapon and that dispo won't be seeing a buff until like February next year since they just did the riven dispo update today and they happen every 3 months

At least it got a damage boost. Phantasma got nothing except some useless crit stats it never needed and not worth building crit on even with the boost. So you basically only have lower dispo on it.

[crimsonspartan1]

Originally posted by Razer:

Originally posted by crimsonspartan1:

Main appeal of the Trumna Prime compared to regular Trumna is it's reduced reload speed (4 seconds instead of five which is still pretty eh) and 25% increased magazine count I feel like? I really wish it had slightly more firerate and a 4%-8% increase to it's primary crit chance but aside from some really minor base damage increase, +0.2x crit multiplier on primary fire and a small status chance buff on primary fire, it's not too much of an upgrade from the original.

I also have a riven for the Trumna so I feel like the OG Trumna's just gonna be way better for me to use atm cus the Trumna Prime is stuck with lowest riven disposition possible due to it being a new weapon and that dispo won't be seeing a buff until like February next year since they just did the riven dispo update today and they happen every 3 months

At least it got a damage boost. Phantasma got nothing except some useless crit stats it never needed and not worth building crit on even with the boost. So you basically only have lower dispo on it.

True. Phantasma prime did get almost 4x more crit chance than the OG version and 0.4x more crit multiplier which is interesting but it's crit is still kinda low and it probably could've benefited from more damage in general?

Feel like some primes get too little of a buff in comparison to the OG version and the whole new weapons starting with minimal riven deposition kinda make some primes surprisingly inferior until they get their riven dispo buffed a few times (Zylok Prime for example, OG Zylok had a really high dispo while Zylok prime came with minimal dispo, and while the weapon itself was a buff, if you had a riven for it, the incarnon form was way stronger on the OG variant than it was on the prime until the prime got some riven dispo buffs)

[Pakaku]

Low fire rate doesn't matter if the damage per hit makes up for it, which in the Trumna's case was very much so. It's probably only a downside if you have bad aim, and need a high rate of fire to compensate for that by just spraying

[Corinarh]

Originally posted by MeyoFrakura:

Dunno bout you but if every gun shoot fast there is not alot of identity to it.

Just 20-30% rof buff would be more than fine. Make it shoot at 6/sec instead of slow 4.67/sec. I'm not asking for Acceltra rof that has like 12/sec.

[Razer]

Originally posted by crimsonspartan1:

Originally posted by Razer:

At least it got a damage boost. Phantasma got nothing except some useless crit stats it never needed and not worth building crit on even with the boost. So you basically only have lower dispo on it.

True. Phantasma prime did get almost 4x more crit chance than the OG version and 0.4x more crit multiplier which is interesting but it's crit is still kinda low and it probably could've benefited from more damage in general?

Feel like some primes get too little of a buff in comparison to the OG version and the whole new weapons starting with minimal riven deposition kinda make some primes surprisingly inferior until they get their riven dispo buffed a few times (Zylok Prime for example, OG Zylok had a really high dispo while Zylok prime came with minimal dispo, and while the weapon itself was a buff, if you had a riven for it, the incarnon form was way stronger on the OG variant than it was on the prime until the prime got some riven dispo buffs)

Rivens and primes always had a bad relationship. Not sure what the reasoning is. I mean I understand all weapons regardless of what it is will be released at dispo 1 or even lower. I think Trumna Prime is at 0.5? But the OG weapons tend to have higher dispo so if you have a good Riven the prime is almost always a downgrade. But for the Phantasma the buffs for the Prime make no sense. It's still not worth building crit on it. It should have gotten multishot buff or status chance buff or magazine buff or whatever else. I think the beam has more length. It's not in the stat screen. So that's useful, but if you have a Riven for it it's not worth using the Prime.