Is this game pay to win?

[DrUnfunny]

I haven't touched this game in a long, long time and found some gameplay for it online. Did some digging on if it was pay to win and no one gave a straight answer. In my opinion pay to win, pay to progress, and pay for convenience are all the same thing. So is this game pay to win?

[Mr. Smiles]

If pay for convenience is P2W, then yes, it is, as you can pay to skip the grind, The only problem with that is that the game IS the grind, so you are essentially paying to skip playing the game.

In actuality, no, it is not.

Edit: it should also be mentioned that the premium currency is able to be earned through trading, so you don't actually HAVE to pay for anything...

[TheTool]

Win what!?

[Robert Zerker]

Originally posted by TheTool:

Win what!?

the feeling of "fun" and "enjoyment" you otherwise have to spend hours and hours grinding and then selling stuff, so that you can finally afford a warframe slot or a weapon slot ?

"Pay to win" is just a phrase. From the moment when game mechanics are artificially tuned to slow progress (and the feeling of accomplishment that comes with it) so that you start thinking you would have more fun after paying, well, it's a "Pay to win" in many people's book no matter how fair or unfair this is to the player.

[NashEquil]

Absolutely.

[TheTool]

Originally posted by Robert Zerker:

Originally posted by TheTool:

Win what!?

the feeling of "fun" and "enjoyment" you otherwise have to spend hours and hours grinding and then selling stuff, so that you can finally afford a warframe slot or a weapon slot ?

"Pay to win" is just a phrase. From the moment when game mechanics are artificially tuned to slow progress (and the feeling of accomplishment that comes with it) so that you start thinking you would have more fun after paying, well, it's a "Pay to win" in many people's book no matter how fair or unfair this is to the player.

Win would constitute a loser.
Wouldn't Pay2Succeed be more apt?

[Dezktop]

i dunno when i have my torid equipped i feel like im winning but maybe thats because i didn't pay anything for it the incarnation or the riven i have on it, though all of those things can indeed be paid for. and will melt most things in the game even at very high levels.

[Dr. Electrocutioner]

Not at all.

First of all you can't actually "win".

Perhaps more relevant to your question is that everything is available in game and the grind isn't even that awful.

Night Wave and Duviri offer alternative ways to get a lot of stuff that otherwise would require excessive grind or buying.

I just got the Ivara warframe from 5 hours doing random missions on the circuit, instead of performing an average of 100 perfect spy missions, which was the previous way to get it.

[Das Apple]

Yes it is, don't let blind fanboys fool you.

[Kawalorn]

All gameplay stuff is earnable for free. If anything, paying for gameplay stuff just makes you have less goals to achieve, so it's not recommended.

[Illusive Soul]

Originally posted by Das Apple:

Yes it is, don't let blind fanboys fool you.

with that opinion, Every F2P game is P2W.

[Dr. Electrocutioner]

It's mostly Pay to Accelerate.

If you don't want to grind 20 missions to get components then wait 3 days while your foundry builds it then you can speed up the process by spending money.

[xxxDENNIMONxxx]

i have 4200 hours in game..there is no pay to win at all

in fact first descendant has pay to win options

[Illusive Soul]

Originally posted by Dr. Electrocutioner:

It's mostly Pay to Accelerate.

If you don't want to grind 20 missions to get components then wait 3 days while your foundry builds it then you can speed up the process by speneing money.

it is funny that people always think making F2P game like warframe cost no money and mad when they charge for Rush build item, imagine crying P2W at a PVE game that require tons of grind, more like P2L to me.

https://youtube.com/shorts/cUN2eWAvaIw?si=gVuRT4SJK6O1X6jT

[Dr. Electrocutioner]

Originally posted by Illusive Soul:

Originally posted by Dr. Electrocutioner:

It's mostly Pay to Accelerate.

If you don't want to grind 20 missions to get components then wait 3 days while your foundry builds it then you can speed up the process by speneing money.

it is funny that people always think making F2P game like warframe cost no money and mad when they charge for Rush.

https://youtube.com/shorts/cUN2eWAvaIw?si=gVuRT4SJK6O1X6jT

I'm not sure if that was directed at me but I am not mad.

I am perfectly happy to play the game for free without rushing things.

[Illusive Soul]

Originally posted by Dr. Electrocutioner:

I'm not sure if that was directed at me but I am not mad.

I am perfectly happy to play the game for free without rushing things.

not blaming you, no worry, watch the vid you know why keep pay to skip everything is pretty dumb, so P2W more like pay to lose in warframe.