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CitricComet Jul 5, 2024 @ 5:13pm
HEART OF DEIMOS Quest, really sucks that this is mandatory...
So its been about 5 years since I played last - and I can see plenty of nice changes. Graphic upgrades, some minor mechanic tweeks - all good. Still have my original acct - spent plenty of time in it, liked it enough to even buy some plat and pay the Dev's for their work.
I made a fresh start of it, just to get back into the swing of the game again - restarted at MR1 and have been trying to level up again on a new acct.

But this 'old-style' warframe in the mandatory Heart-of-Deimos quest... is driving me crazy. I absolutely hate it. Its not mobile enough, the quest does not really explain the warframe powers - it is a completely different type of playstyle - that I really would rather just not deal with at the moment. And the cannon hits completely obscure the view of the enemies.

But they locked the rest of the star-chart off behind this horrid thing...
That sucks...
I have abandoned the quest 3 times now - just went and did something else. But now I am stuck - cannot do anything until the quest is complete.

At least with Archwing, the quest is simple and easy. Then if you don't like it - just don't play it. It really leaves the rest of the game alone. On the other hand, this... horrible thing... monstrosity... whatever... It just sucks.

Why in the world did the dev's lock the rest of the star chart away behind this quest? Why couldn't they have just locked Deimos behind it instead... That is the real question - I don't understand.

I could have had plenty of hours of fun, if they hadn't kept me out of Ceres & Saturn. They have effectively locked out all farming drops of Orokin Cells, behind this stupid quest. And without them, no other warframes can be constructed...

So, my new Gara, all but built - just waiting on 3 cells - can't be made without this quests completion. What a horrible joke.

Maybe I'll give it a go again, in a week or so. But for now - I am just turning the game off. It is not worth playing or grinding anything else to me, if I can't get past this idotic thing.

Anyway - there is my rant. Someone was asking why people quit earlier. Here is why I may. this time - at least.
We'll see, I guess.

PS - and yes, I know I can rank up Nightwave to get the cells.
Last edited by CitricComet; Jul 5, 2024 @ 5:16pm
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Illusive Soul Jul 5, 2024 @ 5:25pm 
go recruit chat, try ask if someone willing to taxi you to another planet note.
Ben Lubar Jul 5, 2024 @ 8:08pm 
Bosses on all planets drop Orokin Cells.
Drago Jul 5, 2024 @ 8:21pm 
I would agree its not written in a manner that completely explains anything or gets into it deeply but essentially the Heart acts as a signal amplifier or beacon for warframe like creatures to get their void related powers. Losing that beacon would cause our warframes to basically not work the same way. Why isn't really explained well its true, but its the basic jist answer.

Part of this is likely because Deimos was not intended to be released when it was; there was a need for something at the beginning of Covid's Pandemic and Deimos was farther along than the earlier promised content. This was apparently stressful in some ways for staff and did mean that some elements for Deimos and other releases got moved around or lost in the shuffle.

The cells can be obtained with allies "taxi-ing" you to the needed zones so that isn't a problem really, just a little annoying relying on trusting allies to be on at the same time or running with recruiting squads. The core thing is the question, is there anything we can offer advice on? What gear are you attempting the quest with and your options of weapons and warframe that might help out on the parts you are having problem with?
NocheLuz Jul 5, 2024 @ 8:24pm 
It's kind of weird. AFAIK, Warframe doesn't put on a main quest that you cannot win in the requirement for opening the star chart. Since you mentioned Old-Style Warframe, I think you mean the Nechamech. Which, in the quest, there is only one mission that you have to use them. That mission is very easy because even if you die, you can respawn and try again.

IDK if they fixed this bug or if it is a feature. But if you respawn, the enemies' HP stays the same. So you just have to try fighting it again until you win.
Drago Jul 6, 2024 @ 12:33am 
Originally posted by NocheLuz:
It's kind of weird. AFAIK, Warframe doesn't put on a main quest that you cannot win in the requirement for opening the star chart. Since you mentioned Old-Style Warframe, I think you mean the Nechamech. Which, in the quest, there is only one mission that you have to use them. That mission is very easy because even if you die, you can respawn and try again.

IDK if they fixed this bug or if it is a feature. But if you respawn, the enemies' HP stays the same. So you just have to try fighting it again until you win.

I do find it a bit wonky that DE decided to them as just bigger warframes. These are things that were said to have been used before warframes became commonly deployed, but most Orokin Elite don't have the transference we use to use them. There are the automated ones sure, but I don't know if it might have had more weight if we actually clambered into and wore these things instead of just using transference instead. Eh, probably just me.
Sceles Jul 6, 2024 @ 1:13am 
This is the introductory quest to Deimos and Cambion Drift, that's why it's mandatory. And it really is not a long quest. You've been minutes away from completion.
ZZZZZ Jul 6, 2024 @ 1:17am 
u are literally only 10min in the necramech

skill 1 is hurling a bomb, its not very strong so u can ignore it
skill 2 gives u a shield, this one u should use
skill 3 is placing mines, u can completely ignore that one too
skill 4 is heavy stationary gun, it actually does good dmg and u should use it
Last edited by ZZZZZ; Jul 6, 2024 @ 1:20am
TheTool Jul 6, 2024 @ 3:12am 
May mention that you need to do the Railjack quest Rising Tide (available after Second Dream) and build it before you can start the quest The War Within.
NocheLuz Jul 6, 2024 @ 4:56am 
Originally posted by Drago:
I do find it a bit wonky that DE decided to them as just bigger warframes. These are things that were said to have been used before warframes became commonly deployed, but most Orokin Elite don't have the transference we use to use them. There are the automated ones sure, but I don't know if it might have had more weight if we actually clambered into and wore these things instead of just using transference instead. Eh, probably just me.

IIRC, Necramech is very heavy. It is heavier than Warframe and very slow. In fact, they discontinued the Necramech just because it wasn't good at fighting the Sentient. So, it was repurposed into an Infested fighting force. As it has void-shielding coated onto them, the Infested cannot convert them.

As for the question of who controls it, there are none. They are fully automated and fighting on their own. Just like how Necramech in Albrecht's Laboratories fought us because its algorithm got damaged and saw us as intruders (while seeing the Murmur as their own, instead of enemies).
C.D.J. Grazza Jul 6, 2024 @ 5:37am 
I remember that time I ran a 26 mile marathon. Then 10 meters before the finish line. I took a cab home alongside Mr Bean. :P Don't be like us.

OP, you're so close! XD - you can do it. As others have said, go for it, and finish the quest. if you wish.
Last edited by C.D.J. Grazza; Jul 6, 2024 @ 5:39am
CitricComet Jul 6, 2024 @ 7:56am 
Originally posted by Ben Lubar:
Bosses on all planets drop Orokin Cells.
I had forgotten that. Thanks Ben.

Originally posted by ZZZZZ:
u are literally only 10min in the necramech

skill 1 is hurling a bomb, its not very strong so u can ignore it
skill 2 gives u a shield, this one u should use
skill 3 is placing mines, u can completely ignore that one too
skill 4 is heavy stationary gun, it actually does good dmg and u should use it
This is very helpful. Thanks ZZZ

And thank you all for the responses. I'll try and muddle my way on through the last of this quest with the horrible nechramech.
Thradar Jul 6, 2024 @ 8:06am 
I just did the last part last night. I just ran to the end where you fight in the room with the heart. I didn't fight anything on the way because it was just a swarm of stuff trying to kill you. I think I died in the heart chamber a couple times, but it didn't matter. Mission done.
I Am Legend Jul 6, 2024 @ 9:28am 
Ooof, have you done Duviri yet? Thats a real painful mission.
Mr. Smiles Jul 6, 2024 @ 9:30am 
You must play the content in order to play the content.
Drago Jul 6, 2024 @ 10:22am 
Originally posted by NocheLuz:
Originally posted by Drago:
I do find it a bit wonky that DE decided to them as just bigger warframes. These are things that were said to have been used before warframes became commonly deployed, but most Orokin Elite don't have the transference we use to use them. There are the automated ones sure, but I don't know if it might have had more weight if we actually clambered into and wore these things instead of just using transference instead. Eh, probably just me.

IIRC, Necramech is very heavy. It is heavier than Warframe and very slow. In fact, they discontinued the Necramech just because it wasn't good at fighting the Sentient. So, it was repurposed into an Infested fighting force. As it has void-shielding coated onto them, the Infested cannot convert them.

As for the question of who controls it, there are none. They are fully automated and fighting on their own. Just like how Necramech in Albrecht's Laboratories fought us because its algorithm got damaged and saw us as intruders (while seeing the Murmur as their own, instead of enemies).

I am aware they are not as nimble as players or warframes. However, look at Father's lines about how the Necromechs were used. He and Loid talk about how Orokin used the Necramechs to probe the Void due to having higher tolerances than humans or even warframes to such negative environments. Particularly when we consider that the family per Loid is not supposed to be fully aware of our Tenno/Warframe nature though I feel Grandmother is strangely well informed in this angle. If you go by Father's lines, he feels the Necramechs were actually pretty decent against Sentient but Warframes supplanted them as front line heavies. The entire point of the deep isolation vaults was for explorers using checking out the Void needing some time to realign with real space, why would they need this if they never went in (besides Albrecht Entrati) and instead just had Void Rig enter?

A lot of the reason given in the quest and later on Deimos doesn't really make any sense as to why the Necramech were used as a stop gap at all and obviously they aren't immune to infestation though maybe resistant if maintained since there are many roaming around broken from contant exposure and partially grown around or working for them as in the deep vault fights (it would be different if they attacked everyone but those ones only attack us while working alongside the infestation). My point was that they seem rather redundant and just less than many warframes themselves particularly ones that call in archguns (necramechs can utilize the 3d printers used by archwing unlike our call in version) and have high health and shields but several warframes can have higher health or shields and Rhino has a similar defensive ability, In plot, the only advantage is that the Void Rig is more durable to the digesting gasses of the deeper Cambion but while this is critical in the quest, in actual play, since you need to go down there to actually get Necramech parts (until recent updates with Father offerings) you need to go through there anyway with your warframe getting its armor digested but still able to run through. "The Heart is malfunctioning thus weakening your warframes!" okay, sure. but the Void Rig is using Void Energy where is it getting its power from if not the Heart as well? How is Grandmother remoting one also if Transference is not something widely used in the Empire? If Transference is common enough that someone outside the council knows enough about it, why were Tenno considered special for control mechanisms for warframes when Grandmother could in theory do it?
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Date Posted: Jul 5, 2024 @ 5:13pm
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