Man they crushed Dante's overguard armor

[IFearSnowman]

Look yeah, he was ridiculous at first but this is the sorta honestly worryingly slimy crap moves I expect from lesser devs, not DE.

Im not against how he now functions, its much more inline, yeah it was insane where he was before....but how did that get through internal testing?

More scammy devs would put OP content out, wait for everyone to get hyped through youtube and BUY IT and then later will nerf it......and thats kinda how this feels.

And all they had to do was do some normal inhouse testing, everyone instantly could see how ridiculous his overguard was....

[tv]

overgaurd gain nerf is a garbage change. never buying a frame with plat again

[C.D.J. Grazza]

EDIT: IDK, how DE's balance system works. I can only guess.

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Yea, so just looking at in game.

With my mod scaling:

1. Before Dante balance tweak: 2 casts in a row for 34,000 over-guard.
2. After Dante balance tweak: 5 casts in a row for 32,000 over-guard.

It does not seem that big a deal, but I'm just a noob, so happy to be enlightened.

EDIT: OK...seems like the nerf was much bigger than I realized, from reading warframe forums.
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TLDR: Dante has been nerfed, it seemed like it was just a overguard nerf, but nerfs on line of sight have caused serious issues for everyone's gameplay, and clearly Dante was being enjoyed just as he was, by many warframe customers. So I stand corrected....

He was nerfed badly. :-(

[jvjd]

You could get 40 k+ Overgaurd bro , it was broken
Even the slash aoe was broken

It made steel path like normal path , you couldn't tell the difference between the two

This was bound to happen

[GustavoM]

Publicado originalmente por Macabruh:

Publicado originalmente por GustavoM:

I've tried nerfed Dante and overguard is still really great (more specifically, 68k overguard right at the very first seconds of a run), so lol.

really? right at the first second? and how exactly do you accomplish that?

With a decent energy regen source.

[tv]

jesus he can't even use archon intensify anymore, what's the point of the mod if it doesn't work on heal?

[ScDK]

The main problems haven't changed with the nerfs.

You can reduce overguard all you want, the gimmick mod builds that require the frame to take direct HP damage will still be prevented, just as they have always been due to DEs insistence that Shields, Overguard, Ironskin and other damage mitigators (INCLUDING ARMOR) will block or negatively impact a gimmick such as Rage.
Just fix those effects to be triggered on -ANY- damage taken, and the issue would be gone.

And the LOS in this game has always been spotty at best. You can kill enemies you didn't even see with a LOS-enabled attack...or completely miss a whole group directly in front of you because there's a minor obstacle blocking whatever the LOS calculation targets.
Sure, a 3-3-4 allowed you to clear your surroundings...but that's 3 buttons to mimic something that Saryn and others can do with a single button and better than Dante.

[Shadovar]

They did the same with the kuva zarr and the ammo nerf. This is normal for them. The zarr got nerfed into the ground. This is why I will never give them another cent.

[tv]

Publicado originalmente por jvjd:

You could get 40 k+ Overgaurd bro , it was broken
Even the slash aoe was broken

It made steel path like normal path , you couldn't tell the difference between the two

This was bound to happen

stayanax does the same ♥♥♥♥ stronger

[󠀡󠀡]

I never understood the self policing and fun policing of others attitude this community has. Why would you want your character to be weaker? Why do you want longer crafting times? Why are you happy that power is being taken away from you and most of all, why do you want to take away power from other people? If you don't like other people being too strong, take your own (highly annoying) advice and "just solo".

[Bird O' Omens.]

From what my clan and the forums are saying it's worse then we thought, it might have been a stealth CC nerf. Rhino stomp no longer affects elites, and breach surge is apparently busted atm.

[Coffeefiend]

Publicado originalmente por Bird O' Omens.:

From what my clan and the forums are saying it's worse then we thought, it might have been a stealth CC nerf. Rhino stomp no longer affects elites, and breach surge is apparently busted atm.

Yes there have been nerfs, they're right there in the patch notes.
It's funny how people complain on official forum about stealth nerf when the patch notes are right there.

[Raitøx]

Publicado originalmente por jvjd:

You could get 40 k+ Overgaurd bro , it was broken
Even the slash aoe was broken

It made steel path like normal path , you couldn't tell the difference between the two

This was bound to happen

Look people a idiot coming out of his destiny 2 cavern to tell us that overguard is OP !

Except it ain't because Overguard has no DR exactly like shield before all the change that made shield less useless in end game.
Immunity to status and CC is already achievable through many way so that's not even something special to overguard.

Overguard is OP at low level but at low level everything is OP if you know what you're doing (but it require a working brain something most people don't have :/ )

Slash Aoe broken ? do you know about saryn ? much hypocrisy here.

Dante is useless now in higher level thanks to all the change since now he has : horrible survivability, horrible damage.
Meanwhile on my revenant i make the whole group invincible and i one shot high level enemies while they kill eachother under thrall debuff = No nerf.

It's hard to follow the logic from DE here because there is none to justify any of these nerf, except if you listen to idiots who can't clean the base star chart.

[[Nod]L3g1oN]

Overall, Dante was a nice support mix from several frames,jack of all trades, master of none. They complain about overguard,while Styanax outperforms Dante 100 times on overguard. Complain about nuke, while Saryn and other frames outperform again better.And so on... This nerf was just a joke. Again, for the 1000th time, as usual, you have these reddit and forum freaks who scream nerf about anything. Hell, when Dante came out in the first hour, people in the game—reddit,forums—started screaming to nerf him. It just shows that none of those who screamed for his nerf ever played him on 9999-level enemies.

And it shows personality after years of seeing other games and warframes.If you want a game  to be fun and successful,turn off the public discussion board or any way to post prevent nonsensical messages from people who have no brains. demanding for a nerf in a PVE game. This game is not Black Desert Online or any open-world PVP where abilities need a nerf. How many more frames do we need on the graveyard after the nerfs?

[FreshlyGrilledPanic]

Publicado originalmente por 󠀡󠀡:

I never understood the self policing and fun policing of others attitude this community has. Why would you want your character to be weaker? Why do you want longer crafting times? Why are you happy that power is being taken away from you and most of all, why do you want to take away power from other people? If you don't like other people being too strong, take your own (highly annoying) advice and "just solo".

rare and under appreciated perspective.

[systemphantom]

Not to mention they broke Dante's Energy Color again, and as of the update yesterday a couple of my Riven mods Display the correct amount in the Reroll, but when equipped or in the UPGRADE section only give half of their stats. This update was equal to Warframe getting Cancer.