Second FoMo Collection

[psnjungle]

It looks like the devs are doing a second heirloom, FOMO collection again. If its anything like the frost/mag set, Then get your skins now for 80+ dollars or forever hold your peace. More details on this in the next dev stream.

Oh but Im sure the million dollar corporation just need a little cash to help boost them through the month so they can pay their rent.

Pathetic, truly.

-edited out first sentence so any thread hi-jacking/de-railing would stop. pls focus on the main topic, Continued FoMo, thanks

[Vendicator Senpai]

That 10 year badge should of been given to players who played that long and not locked behind a temporary expensive pack tbh

[[PMC] Portable Merc Collector]

As somebody who actually bought the last heirloom pack for the skins. (Mag's looked awesome)

I also put a negative on it and requested the company not do this again. You can say I'm part of the problem, but, that will be the only time I'll spend that kind of money on something like this.

The reason I got into Warframe at all wasn't just because the designs and frames were really cool, but because there was NO FOMO, everyone could get everything. While sure, some events were time locked and primes rotated, it was all fair game. I wanted to support the developers for doing this style of development and quite frankly being farrrr less scummy than somebody like Blizzard, EA, and the like.

HOWEVER if they bring it back, and it continues to be a one-time release, I'm never buying from them again. I bought the first one to support the devs for what they have made, and to warn them against doing FOMO again in the future. If they do, then I'll take my money elsewhere, anybody can make a misstep, and if that was a test, and it wasn't the result they wanted, then they just shouldn't do it.

If they keep ignoring their players, and do more FOMO, then they'll suffer the consequences. I feel like I won't be the only person stopping should they do that.

[[DE] Juice]

Leaving this thread up because it is getting good discussion, but had to clear out some insults and attacks on each other (and left some up which are very close to the line). Please keep it to discussing the topic at hand, not going after each other.

Thanks!

[Illusive Soul]

Originally posted by PMC Portable Merc Collector:

If they keep ignoring their players, and do more FOMO, then they'll suffer the consequences. I feel like I won't be the only person stopping should they do that.

i dont really think FOMO will do something bad to Warframe , it just an 2 Limited time expensive skin, look at fortnite Limited Skin , look at DOTA 2 battle pass loot boxes , Genshin impact , Destiny 2 , these game still doing very well and they are more heart chocking "FOMO" than warframe .

[[PMC] Portable Merc Collector]

Originally posted by Illusive Soul:

Originally posted by PMC Portable Merc Collector:

If they keep ignoring their players, and do more FOMO, then they'll suffer the consequences. I feel like I won't be the only person stopping should they do that.

i dont really think FOMO will do something bad to Warframe , it just an 2 Limited time expensive skin, look at fortnite Limited Skin , look at DOTA 2 battle pass loot boxes , Genshin impact , Destiny 2 , these game still doing very well and they are more heart chocking "FOMO" than warframe .

Yeah, that's why I bought the last pack, because they weren't like them. What I'm worried about is them starting to do the same things, which'll definitely turn me off.

[Illusive Soul]

Originally posted by PMC Portable Merc Collector:

Yeah, that's why I bought the last pack, because they weren't like them. What I'm worried about is them starting to do the same things, which'll definitely turn me off.

i think there will be more, its a live service game, expect DE try to sell more FOMO skin.

[Kinato]

Eh the skins were ugly anyways. not worth 20 let alone $120 (canadian) lol

[F4$hi0n$h0w]

Originally posted by Illusive Soul:

Originally posted by PMC Portable Merc Collector:

If they keep ignoring their players, and do more FOMO, then they'll suffer the consequences. I feel like I won't be the only person stopping should they do that.

i dont really think FOMO will do something bad to Warframe , it just an 2 Limited time expensive skin, look at fortnite Limited Skin , look at DOTA 2 battle pass loot boxes , Genshin impact , Destiny 2 , these game still doing very well and they are more heart chocking "FOMO" than warframe .

Yes but in every game that you listed there are things to do and stories to experience. Warframe is "Collectables" the game. Everything you do have one goal in mind, obtain items. All cinematics/cutscenes for this game are like 3 hours max long. So I don't think locking said items in "no longer accessible and wont return vault" is a good idea, I am not even going to touch topic of dividing players in to poor/wealthy since it is a whole different thing. I think skin packs/gachas/time limited collections are good for the business especially with how blindsided/passionate warframe plaeyrs are but it will do more harm in the long way. People will be more stingy about your monetization model and question morality of it. Where it is true that games you listed have thousands dolar moneywholes in which you can fall in. I can speak from perspective of player of all these games and one of the first things that people list that they would like to change/remove is how the things are priced. I am not talking about spoiled and pretentious people wanting everything for free, I am talking about people that understand the value of money and are not happy about skin for character costing full price of a game.

[Tictactucrac]

Cosmetic fomo isn't true fomo, it's just dumb people. Doesn't hurt the game in any way, not a bad business practice at all. Just control your urges nobody cares about your frame's fashion and 99% of said fashion is available.

[Illusive Soul]

Originally posted by ShmegehAika:

Yes but in every game that you listed there are things to do and stories to experience. Warframe is "Collectables" the game. Everything you do have one goal in mind, obtain items. All cinematics/cutscenes for this game are like 3 hours max long. So I don't think locking said items in "no longer accessible and wont return vault" is a good idea, I am not even going to touch topic of dividing players in to poor/wealthy since it is a whole different thing. I think skin packs/gachas/time limited collections are good for the business especially with how blindsided/passionate warframe plaeyrs are but it will do more harm in the long way. People will be more stingy about your monetization model and question morality of it. Where it is true that games you listed have thousands dolar moneywholes in which you can fall in. I can speak from perspective of player of all these games and one of the first things that people list that they would like to change/remove is how the things are priced. I am not talking about spoiled and pretentious people wanting everything for free, I am talking about people that understand the value of money and are not happy about skin for character costing full price of a game.

what kind of logic is this ? just because Warframe dont have much story to tell and movie cut scene so doing FOMO is kind a bad ? people dont play fortnite for stories, everyone just jump in playing different PVP game mode, same as DOTA 2.

the " no longer accessible and wont return vault " stuff are skin and nothing really impact the game play experience, you dont need to buy the expensive FOMO skin , you dont need to collect all the skin , if you want it you get it, pay it , you think not worth ,dont buy it and forget about it, just like car company selling a very cool looking expensive limited edition car,you gonna blame the company keep doing "FOMO" thing because you dont want to hurt your wallet ?

lets talk about Genshin then,you know how long need to wait for the 5 star archon to came back ? , 5 star archon make your life more easier in game and you know how exhausting need to play every single quest and event just grind for primogem to gamble a single Pity roll ? and thats just a character, not even start roll a 5 star weapon yet, not sure about you,i feel very exhausted because the FOMO in genshin so i quit,it still a good game though.

my point is,i been seen the worst FOMO, warframe FOMO skin is nothing really important, just a good looking expensive skin that do nothing for game, If DE decide to make those skin " all time available and cheap" i am fine too, more player happy ,i am not interested on those skin anyway, people just need to accept that they cannot get everything sometime.

[Tasi]

FOMO is rampant in many games, but Warframe isn't one of them.

Excal prime being a badge of honor for original founders is perfectly reasonable, they tested the waters with the last heirloom collection and are clearly aware of the negative feedback, but even so it's purely cosmetic so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

[psnjungle]

The "its just skins fomo" narrative is short-sided. A lot of people seem to think that "everyone has my personal gaming preference" and "i wouldn't buy that, so who on earth would" and lastly a "i only care about gameplay" mindset.

The idea that someone could be different and have a different set of values, such as "i care mostly about ascetic purposes" "i play warframe for the customization" never cross their minds because they play differently themselves.

For those that do love skins, or play for aesthetics reasons, Then FoMo is a very bad thing for them. What if instead of it getting placed on skins, it was placed on gameplay?

Example: Do this limited time, one-week run quest, and you can get a weapon that does level cap-damage with no mods. This weapon will never return again after that week is up.

Example two: Do this limited time one-week run quest, and be able to make any warframe you want permanently evade every single attack from any enemy for the rest of the games lifespan.

Then they proceed to charge you an entry fee for access to those two quest.

The ones who care mostly about aesthetics and looks purposes wont be as hurt by this, the ones that care about gameplay would rage. Once upon seeing how successful the FoMo model is, DE will eventually adopt this to more and more parts of the game, with zero regard for your "good will" points you've given them or your "image" you have of them in your head. Either you take a stand against it now (like you did with the last heirloom pack by negatively reviewing it into the ground) or they'll slither more of this crap in the game in other aspects.

[Illusive Soul]

oh wow, "If i cant get this X Fomo skin ,neither any of other should get it , Fomo skin should be gone so i will never miss a single skin in this game "

good thing that 2 example you gave will never happen.

[psnjungle]

Originally posted by Illusive Soul:

oh wow, "If i cant get this X Fomo skin ,neither any of other should get it , Fomo skin should be gone so i will never miss a single skin in this game "

Remember that FoMo is a business model, Not a skin. FoMo Is the issue, Not the skin.

[Illusive Soul]

Originally posted by psnjungle:

Remember that FoMo is a business model, Not a skin. FoMo Is the issue, Not the skin.

many popular game has FOMO, cry about it, Warframe are not the worst , whats next ? Cancel prime access because need wait for few months to get old prime frame back to the grind pool ? and what next ? telling DE to stop making time limited event ? so everyone wont miss out arcane / forma grind ? and what next ? cancel Lotus Gift ? these thing i listed pretty much will make player fear of missing out .

Play Destiny 2 and Genshin , you will learn what is the real heart chocking FOMO feels like .