So Mirage just casually outperforms all my other frames

[Tictactucrac]

Disclaimer, I'm a fairly new players, I have 200 hours into the game, I don't have a lot of the end game stuff if at all, I'm at the Zariman questline, haven't done any sortie, archon hunt or anything like that yet (I'm kinda terrified by content that is over level 100), I only have 1 riven mod for a weapon I don't own, I'm still working on my first Kuva Lich, I have 10 warframes including 1 prime. So yes, I am aware that things will be different when I get to end game optimisation.

With that being said... Why is Mirage so much stronger than all my other frames ? This is the last frame I built cause I don't really fancy her looks but now I regret investing so much in my other frames.

The way I built her, her 1 almost doubles damage output if all her clones hit the target, which is fairly easy with some AoE/auto targetting weapons.

Her 3 almost triples damage output, and I think this works multiplicatively with her 1 for almost 6 times my original weapon damage.

Both abilities work on melee weapons as well, meaning my melee frames just pale in comparison with their average abilities. Like Rhino who gets a 60% damage bonus on his 3, compared to the 280% on Mirage's 3. Or Atlas who no matter how much I read the internet about building Landslide for damage, struggles to get over 100k damage numbers, meanwhile Mirage just casually getting over 1 Million with heavy slam attacks in a world where I still hit in the hundreds/thousands with most weapons and abilities.

And that's not all, because her 4 for some reasons does ticks of damage over 4k (which might sound laughable to you but is actually decent where I'm at in the game for such a large aoe) even though Mirage character sheet says her 4 should do 350 damage ticks. I have no clue what's happening here but basically, I don't even have to spam slam attacks for AoE damage, I can even do AoE at a distance, meanwhile my other frames with AoE abilities like Gara, Garuda or Zephyr struggle to get over 500 damage ticks of slice status effect. Zephyr is not build for damage at all so no surprise here, but I don't understand how Gara's 2 or Garuda's 4 are supposed to do damage, they just do nothing.

Anyway, at the very least, my Mirage is extremely squishy, so I don't dominate EVERYTHING, just everything that matters because survivability doesn't matter when I deal 1 Million damage to level 30-70 enemies.

Thank you for reading my rant that isn't really a rant, and I have 3 bonus questions :

-Why do corpus enemies don't always get one shot by my 1 Million damage hits ? I'm talking like super low level, 20-30 enemies here. I first assumed it was because of the shields, granting invicibility like our own shield when depleted, but then again sometimes I do one shot them...

-What am I doing wrong with my other frames ? right now I only have 3 options, Mirage for damage, Gara for defense objectives and Volt for speed... My favorite are Atlas and Garuda and I just feel bad when I play with them.

-What the F is her 2 supposed to do ? I have no clue how to use it... Not that I need it, will probably helminth that crap away at some point

[Joker]

mirage is just goated, p simple. what other frames do you have?
and landslide for atlas is bad dont ever build for it. ok it works in base star chart missions so you can build for it for those, but not in steel path.

for the 3 other questions
1. unlucky.

2. probably just building them 'wrong'. but it also depends on what you want the frames to do. volt is without a doubt your best frame right now when it comes to damage. check ninjase on overframe for builds on warframes. you just need the right mods.

3. it's used for nuking, but they nerfed it last year (i think it was last year), so if you want a mirage nuke build, youre better off building for her ult. no matter what, you'll want to subsume something over her 2. unless you specifically build for it, which you shouldnt IMO.

[Tictactucrac]

what other frames do you have?

Atlas, Excalibur Umbra, Gara, Garuda, Gauss Prime, Loki, Rhino, Volt, Zephyr

and landslide for atlas is bad dont ever build for it. ok it works in base star chart missions so you can build for it for those, but not in steel path.

How should I build Atlas then ? His 1 is kinda the only reason to use this frame no ? Why use atlas if i'm going to make a weapon build ?

1. unlucky.

How is it unlucky to not one shot kill a dude with 20k health with a 1 Million damage hit ?

As for Volt yes I'm aware he's OP with the right mods but I don't think I have enough of the good mods to turn him into a nuke yet

[ShatteredPumpkin]

Originally posted by Joker:

mirage is just goated, p simple. what other frames do you have?
and landslide for atlas is bad dont ever build for it. ok it works in base star chart missions so you can build for it for those, but not in steel path.

for the 3 other questions
1. unlucky.

2. probably just building them 'wrong'. but it also depends on what you want the frames to do. volt is without a doubt your best frame right now when it comes to damage. check ninjase on overframe for builds on warframes. you just need the right mods.

3. it's used for nuking, but they nerfed it last year (i think it was last year), so if you want a mirage nuke build, youre better off building for her ult. no matter what, you'll want to subsume something over her 2. unless you specifically build for it, which you shouldnt IMO.

tons of people still fail to play nuke builds wrong huh? i have literally 0 issues using mirages second ability for nuking lol xD tho i still rather use Dante now cause he can literally kill any enemie that is not a boss without any issues. but again i dont get how people struggle with mirage xd

[Joker]

Originally posted by Tictactucrac:

Atlas, Excalibur Umbra, Gara, Garuda, Gauss Prime, Loki, Rhino, Volt, Zephyr

excal can do millions of damage if you build right for his slash dash. i kinda dont recommend using umbra if you want to build for the exalted blade, unless the survivability of the build is simple tanking.

gara can nuke too. garuda is a funny slash frame. gauss prime is the 2nd strongest frame you have, another nuker who can also armor strip as well have possessing a 100% damage reduction ability (except it doesnt work on toxin eximus, i believe).

i have no idea how to build for loki except high duration for his 2 and that augment mod.

rhino can get like 200k or 2 million overguard with an augment mod for his ult if you play steel path with him. his ult also have decent Crowd Control.

Zephyr is also really good if you build for her tornados and use electricity and viral on your weapons. with the unairu focus school armor stripping ability, you can shred enemies with 1 shot.

Originally posted by Tictactucrac:

How should I build Atlas then ? His 1 is kinda the only reason to use this frame no ? Why use atlas if i'm going to make a weapon build ?

i spoke too soon. you can use landslide even on steel path successfully. but you'll need a statstick and an armor stripping ability. https://overframe.gg/build/229083/atlas-prime/rocknrolla-atlas-steel-path-landslide-endurance/

otherwise, i personally recommend getting good range and some efficiency for his Petrify and Tectonics. but thats mainly for base steel path missions like exterminate and mobile defense, nothing longer. you can build for him differently.

Originally posted by Tictactucrac:

How is it unlucky to not one shot kill a dude with 20k health with a 1 Million damage hit ?

i dont know :( whhich enemies in particular are you thinking about?

Originally posted by Tictactucrac:

As for Volt yes I'm aware he's OP with the right mods but I don't think I have enough of the good mods to turn him into a nuke yet

you'll have all the mods sooner or later :D

[Guts]

List of god tier warframes that will absolutely break the game:
Mirage
Xaku
Saryn
Revenant
Kullervo

[GustavoM]

She is indeed very noob-friendly... but no way the best warframe in the game.

[Joker]

Originally posted by ShatteredPumpkin:

tons of people still fail to play nuke builds wrong huh? i have literally 0 issues using mirages second ability for nuking lol xD tho i still rather use Dante now cause he can literally kill any enemie that is not a boss without any issues. but again i dont get how people struggle with mirage xd

it works but falls off before her ult. and yeah Dante is GOATED too

[ShatteredPumpkin]

Originally posted by GustavoM:

She is indeed very noob-friendly... but no way the best warframe in the game.

Dante currently is in my opinion
He is Tanky can nuke everything easily can recover overguard easily at any time can even weaken enemies and nuke even easier which is already easy af and i havent yet encountered a single enemie that stands a chance against him not even at lvl 400+ hek he can even destroy corpus bubbles with his abilities i currently see no reason to use any other frame and on top of it he looks cool playing him feels awesome and voicelines he has when using abilities makes it even cooler

[rhoenix]

The thing about Warframe is that there are many frames that one can feel like it's easy to fall into the rhythm of. Some players with resonate more or less with certain warframes, and that's fine - there are nearly sixty of them now.

I like Dante, but I can fall into the rhythm of playing Kullervo very, very easily - to the point where I can do an hour Survival in Steel Path with him and not even notice.

For other players, it'll likely be the opposite - it all comes down to how you choose to relate to the experience. Who knows - maybe you'll come back to a warframe later and see something you didn't before. It's happened to me more than once.

[NIkto Barada]

mirages 4?
well corpus used to have instaheadshot protection via their helmets. maybe it's that.
gara's 2? if it ismirror gallery draws attention similar like some of titanias ability, sadly the mirrors can get destroyed and have to be recast,
weirdly enough even overguard units seem to be affected not sure why.
0nly CC that works on em. its helminthable , ive got a tradition of giving it or rollerballs to any toon in duviri or arbitration defense that is named.the description also mentions a minor explosion.
the shards give up to 90% damage reduction temporarily and do damage around its target in melee range, it can be cast on enemies as well.
sadly garai s not spike damage but a bubbler, very versatile, her 4 used to be indestructible at intro.

[Spirit]

Originally posted by N473:

List of god tier warframes that will absolutely break the game:
Mirage
Xaku
Saryn
Revenant
Kullervo

i understand mirage , saryn and xaku but why kullervo ?

[Guts]

Originally posted by Spirit:

Originally posted by N473:

List of god tier warframes that will absolutely break the game:
Mirage
Xaku
Saryn
Revenant
Kullervo

i understand mirage , saryn and xaku but why kullervo ?

Kullervo has infinite overguard and can link enemies so that they take damage whenever another enemy takes damage. This allows him to use AOE to massively increase damage, because each enemy takes almost the same damage that each other enemy takes. One nuke that hits 10 enemies is actually nearly 10 nukes worth of damage.

[Kawalorn]

Originally posted by Tictactucrac:

and landslide for atlas is bad dont ever build for it. ok it works in base star chart missions so you can build for it for those, but not in steel path.

How should I build Atlas then ? His 1 is kinda the only reason to use this frame no ? Why use atlas if i'm going to make a weapon build ?

Nah, he doesn't know anything. Landslide works well enough with crit builds using Blood Rush, but once you get an Incarnon Melee weapon with a crit bonus, like Ceramic Dagger he absolutely obliterates all enemies with orange crits.

Naramon School + Blood Rush or if you are confident in keeping combo up maybe just a combo duration mod instead of Naramon. Rest is standard damage, crit and element mods.

[Lay Z]

Originally posted by Spirit:

Originally posted by N473:

List of god tier warframes that will absolutely break the game:
Mirage
Xaku
Saryn
Revenant
Kullervo

i understand mirage , saryn and xaku but why kullervo ?

Kullervo does some really crazy damage, equip him with a good crit , crit damage melee weapon , 5 purple shards , and have a build that uses Nourish from helmeth + Equilibrium in your build so you dont need to use Arcane Energize , you can just press his 3rd ability to link a bunch of mobs, then press his 1st ability to teleport to the group and smack them for a ton of damage, i was doing 64+ million per hit, rinse and repeat since energy is no problem with Equilibrium+Nourish on the build, im pretty sure you can reach millions of damage with that combo without those purple shards, but its not gonna be in the 60+ milions

Theres even other jump smashing builds that reach over 2 billion damage per smack.