anyone else a bit confused by the impact/puncture switch?

[MotherVicar]

idk if im missing something but before Impact was good against corpus and puncture vs grineer and now they switched that around....but why?

[vid23]

Probably because it makes a bit more sense lore vise.

The grineers body is already rotting away, probably being held together by the armor, so you want to break the armor and shake up their insides, not puncture it.
For corpus puncture makes more sense, they got shields, you want to penetrate it to damage their body

It doesnt really matter, theyre just numbers at the end of the day

[MotherVicar]

Originally posted by vid23:

Probably because it makes a bit more sense lore vise.

The grineers body is already rotting away, probably being held together by the armor, so you want to break the armor and shake up their insides, not puncture it.
For corpus puncture makes more sense, they got shields, you want to penetrate it to damage their body

It doesnt really matter, theyre just numbers at the end of the day

well you can logic your way the other way around as well, how is armor from for example a tank dealt with irl? with a penetrating round, not a sledge hammer.

and sure if is just numbers, but weapons that were good against corpus are now suddenly no longer...they are good against grineer and vice versa.

[Sédrio]

Originally posted by Macabruh:

and sure if is just numbers, but weapons that were good against corpus are now suddenly no longer...they are good against grineer and vice versa.

...So switch your weapons around. Adapt the weapons you were using on the grineers to corpus instead, and vice versa.

[Illusive Soul]

Originally posted by Macabruh:

well you can logic your way the other way around as well, how is armor from for example a tank dealt with irl? with a penetrating round, not a sledge hammer.

and sure if is just numbers, but weapons that were good against corpus are now suddenly no longer...they are good against grineer and vice versa.

try wear a heavy armor and get slam by a sledge hammer, i pretty sure your bone are crushed inside, and people really bother to switch weapon when they had incarnon weapon ?

impact make enemy easy trigger finisher, kind a good agains grineer , Puncture trigger extra critical which good agains corpus shield.

[vid23]

Originally posted by Macabruh:

Originally posted by vid23:

Probably because it makes a bit more sense lore vise.

The grineers body is already rotting away, probably being held together by the armor, so you want to break the armor and shake up their insides, not puncture it.
For corpus puncture makes more sense, they got shields, you want to penetrate it to damage their body

It doesnt really matter, theyre just numbers at the end of the day

well you can logic your way the other way around as well, how is armor from for example a tank dealt with irl? with a penetrating round, not a sledge hammer.

and sure if is just numbers, but weapons that were good against corpus are now suddenly no longer...they are good against grineer and vice versa.

A tank is completelly fine if you penetrate it unless you blow up the ammo and kill its crew. But the grineer doesnt wear 700mm thick armor and doesnt have a vulnerable crew and ammo storage inside of them.

And your weapons are fine, most of your damage comes from elemental damage or status procs/crits, not this 2 damage type anyways, and since they removed the damage resistances from most of the enemies, you will end up doing more damage overall than before

[tv]

Ruvox users are suffering right now

[vid23]

Originally posted by tv:

Ruvox users are suffering right now

If anything this change made the ruvox better

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Macabruh:

Originally posted by vid23:

Probably because it makes a bit more sense lore vise.

The grineers body is already rotting away, probably being held together by the armor, so you want to break the armor and shake up their insides, not puncture it.
For corpus puncture makes more sense, they got shields, you want to penetrate it to damage their body

It doesnt really matter, theyre just numbers at the end of the day

well you can logic your way the other way around as well, how is armor from for example a tank dealt with irl? with a penetrating round, not a sledge hammer.

and sure if is just numbers, but weapons that were good against corpus are now suddenly no longer...they are good against grineer and vice versa.

Bullets primarily penetrate due to the velocity/travel speed of said bullet, not because it's pointy, if you even remotely knew what you were talking about you'd realize a back in the day mordtschlag/hammers were more commonly used against opponents as the impact would concuss your opponent from within and cause brain damage, a spear really didn't do alot unless you hit a weakpoint in the armor, arrows from longbows sometimes could go through because the power would cause the arrow to have a high impact from the velocity

[Skeleton]

Originally posted by Macabruh:

idk if im missing something but before Impact was good against corpus and puncture vs grineer and now they switched that around....but why?

The answer is in the patch notes. Read them.[forums.warframe.com]

With these Resistance and Vulnerability changes, we’ve made a notable decision to make Impact deadlier towards the Grineer, while making Puncture deadlier towards the Corpus. This is a departure from the previous system, however, we believe that these two Statuses are more suited for these specific Factions.

Since Impact Status Effects enables Mercy actions, we found that it wasn’t all too effective against Corpus due to their lower Health counts compared to their Shields, while Mercy killing Grineer is more accessible due to their innate tankiness. The Corpus can deliver incredibly high amounts of raw damage, allowing for Puncture to naturally play effectively into limiting their damage potential.

[MotherVicar]

Originally posted by Ghost:

Originally posted by Macabruh:

well you can logic your way the other way around as well, how is armor from for example a tank dealt with irl? with a penetrating round, not a sledge hammer.

and sure if is just numbers, but weapons that were good against corpus are now suddenly no longer...they are good against grineer and vice versa.

Bullets primarily penetrate due to the velocity/travel speed of said bullet, not because it's pointy, if you even remotely knew what you were talking about you'd realize a back in the day mordtschlag/hammers were more commonly used against opponents as the impact would concuss your opponent from within and cause brain damage, a spear really didn't do alot unless you hit a weakpoint in the armor, arrows from longbows sometimes could go through because the power would cause the arrow to have a high impact from the velocity

Right so I guess the devs were just massive idiots for 10 years then?
Jeez and imagine the braindead individual that invented the pickaxe, what a monumental muppet that was.

[Illusive Soul]

Originally posted by Macabruh:

Right so I guess the devs were just massive idiots for 10 years then?
Jeez and imagine the braindead individual that invented the pickaxe, what a monumental muppet that was.

Making a change for improvement = "massive idiot", not doing anything that help the game = "DE abandoned ", Warframe player in steam discussion always had their way to blame the dev.

[IRMcG]

Originally posted by Macabruh:

well you can logic your way the other way around as well, how is armor from for example a tank dealt with irl? with a penetrating round, not a sledge hammer.

Someone's never heard of HESH rounds. Or maces :)

[tv]

Originally posted by vid23:

Originally posted by tv:

Ruvox users are suffering right now

If anything this change made the ruvox better

i want to agree because i modded it magnetic, but cascade thrax knocking on the door with their unaffiliated faction. why are they still unaffiliated?

[Chroma Hydra (They/Them)🏳️‍⚧️🐉θΔ]

Long long long loooonng ago, in the founder purchasing era, corpus head armor was invulnerable without a puncture mod. So this is more a return to the original resistances.

[Pakaku]

Dev patch notes said that they thought the two procs made more sense on opposite factions, so they switched them.

I'm not really upset. A lot of weapons I liked were impact, now they will be more relevant. Not that it all really matters now that health resistances have been super simplified anyways... I shall continue to keep using the "wrong" damage on the "wrong" faction