[New war]Railjack and necramech hard requirement is redundant

[Slyther]

The new war quest is more than happy to give you a new operator appearance, a new amp, and a new bow for all the content the quest has to offer, but suddenly you need to go through the slog and tedium of getting a railjack and necramech when you're only going to use them like twice across the whole quest? Seems really dumb.

[_ALuX_]

Escrito originalmente por Amigo:

It is not only redundant, Id say it's pretty cynical. They are well aware than only a tiny percent of their playerbase has this junk piece and even fewer players actually use it. So why make it obligatory? To sell it on the hype wave. It is predatory business and 100% cynical.

What proof do you have that the actual number of players who own railjacks and mechs constitute a "tiny percentage" of the playerbase? I find this assumption to be very cynical.

[TreyUwU]

Escrito originalmente por Slyther:

The new war quest is more than happy to give you a new operator appearance, a new amp, and a new bow for all the content the quest has to offer, but suddenly you need to go through the slog and tedium of getting a railjack and necramech when you're only going to use them like twice across the whole quest? Seems really dumb.

Just a friendly reminder that warframe isn't a story rich it's a story driven game and requires you to actively play it in order to enjoy it. Like not every story update. that's why if you played Warframe more than twice every 4 years, you would've all the requirements for New War, also, they're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy and turbo quick to get, you just have to play. They also reduced to the fudging ground the time and the amount of ressources you need for a RJ, plus you get some lore precisions to understand New War, not that you care a lot tho. You're missing on a big chunk of the lore by not owning a rj.
You can still buy it over the market if you sleep on a big PL pile, unlikely in your case, tho.

[_ALuX_]

Escrito originalmente por Treyu:

Escrito originalmente por Slyther:

The new war quest is more than happy to give you a new operator appearance, a new amp, and a new bow for all the content the quest has to offer, but suddenly you need to go through the slog and tedium of getting a railjack and necramech when you're only going to use them like twice across the whole quest? Seems really dumb.

Just a friendly reminder that warframe isn't a story rich it's a story driven game and requires you to actively play it in order to enjoy it. Like not every story update. that's why if you played Warframe more than twice every 4 years, you would've all the requirements for New War, also, they're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy and turbo quick to get, you just have to play.
You can still buy it over the market if you sleep on a big PL pile, unlikely in your case, tho.

This literally what I have been saying for the past three days primarily on discussion alone.

[Spartykins]

the requirement was silly considering it was only one segment that we used it in and it wasn't for very long

and this is coming from someone that has fully kitted out both mechs

[Hex/Pastella]

Escrito originalmente por Edifier:

But this is Warframe, getting everything is basically what you're supposed to do.

It isn't that much of a grind to just get started with both Necramech and the Railjack. It can be a bit tedious if you want to max them out though. But for the story quest it's overkill.

Escrito originalmente por Root:

yeah, i have strange feelings too.

1. Misleading teaser
We saw tears when you faced evil spacemom, but instead we got imba Ballas who:
Had Erra as his dog (how?!)
Stole mom powers (how?!)
Sent us into the void (why?!)

I have another question

How did we get out of the void?

what about those of us who play the game by getting a few frames we like to be decent enough for story content....then hang out in survival missions just vibing? I put a comical amount of time and money into this game AND I still had to exit my normal user experience loop in order to unlock story quests, by grinding content islands that are artificial content extensions. WACK AF, in two words.

[Eckard]

Escrito originalmente por Hex-Lotus Petal (N4ddy):

Escrito originalmente por Edifier:

But this is Warframe, getting everything is basically what you're supposed to do.

It isn't that much of a grind to just get started with both Necramech and the Railjack. It can be a bit tedious if you want to max them out though. But for the story quest it's overkill.





I have another question

How did we get out of the void?

what about those of us who play the game by getting a few frames we like to be decent enough for story content....then hang out in survival missions just vibing? I put a comical amount of time and money into this game AND I still had to exit my normal user experience loop in order to unlock story quests, by grinding content islands that are artificial content extensions. WACK AF, in two words.

Respectfully... if you already recognize not all the game is for you, maybe you should consider that this content also isn't for you?

[Get Out]

I would agree but we literally had years to unlock these things. Whoever didn't is either too lazy and deserve it or too new to the game to understand what's even happening.

[Taka]

Escrito originalmente por Suhu:

Done railjack mission in a 3-4 hours.
Necromech you can buy with platinum.

inb4 someone screams pay to win even though you can get plat for free, easily.

[Daegon]

Necramechs deserve more love, these things once you build them, they are broken OP and fun to use, but there are so little places to use them which makes me sad, I want to enjoy Necramechs more.

[Dex]

Escrito originalmente por Kalarual:

Escrito originalmente por Suhu:

Done railjack mission in a 3-4 hours.
Necromech you can buy with platinum.

inb4 someone screams pay to win even though you can get plat for free, easily.

So plat enters the economy without someone paying real money for it?

[Taka]

Escrito originalmente por Boblawblah:

Escrito originalmente por Kalarual:

inb4 someone screams pay to win even though you can get plat for free, easily.

So plat enters the economy without someone paying real money for it?

ah, that is true, but you know, that argument falls flat because the people have the option of, you know, just getting it for free instead of paying?
there's in no way shape or form getting it with plat is "Pay to win" when you have multipole ways of getting it. Most of it for free.

[KEK]

Main problem with necromechs is that they don't have their own build-up quest like railjack did. I still don't know how to unlock necromech nor do I know what I need to grind. Btw old quests didn't force you to grind X, Y, Z and waste a big chunk of resources. Thing is DE wants us to be impressed with their new "content" such as Railjack and Necromechs to the point where they put Ash and Oberon to the railjack mission and force us to grind Necromech in order to play the new war while Necromech don't play any major role in it.

[KEK]

Escrito originalmente por Kawalorn:

Escrito originalmente por Taddy Mason:

a game that used to let you play how you want but now has a bunch of content islands that many people don't like and so they're trying to shoehorn you into those islands to make up for the fact that they're islands to begin with instead of acknowledging these new things aren't popular

So your solution is to separate them even more and make them even more of a content island?

"Waaah, it's a content island"
"Waaah, how dare you make it not a content island and force me to use it."

It's barely any grind to get one Necramech and get it to at least basic functionality. You're free to ignore it afterwards.

Reminds me of all the Jordas Golem whining because people didn't have even one archwing and archgun at rank 30 and reactor/catalyst, which was all that was needed.

Add new mechanics that are shown only in that "island"
Don't force players to grind something that wasn't needed in story quests but now is "must do" thing because community didn't enjoyed it (I don't care about warframe quests since it's just additional content + warframe)

[Sleepy Yoshi]

At the end of the day the question is simple to me. Did the requirement for the quest add anything meaningful to the story or game play?

Good design integrates content seamlessly and doesn't feel arbitrary and insignificant. The focus being on how easy or difficult something is to grind...doesn't answer the actual question of whether it's good design. All that is, is deflection.

[Viking]

Escrito originalmente por Dat Wyvern BOOTY:

Escrito originalmente por ApocNizmith:

And you are going to use them against level 20 enemies, the entire quest was a joke.

DE: "Be prepared with your most powerful load out, railjack and necramech. You are going to need them...".

Me: "Rank 10 all intrinsic, 6 forma necramech fully kitted out with archgun that also has 5 forma and modded to destroy Orphix in under 3 seconds and has a 4 that can deal millions of damage per second, 5 forma helminthed Xaku that can afk steel path to level cap, perfect roll rivened Kuva Zarr, Kuva Nukor, and ridiculous Zaw running Exodia Contagion, A Carrier Prime that has a 4 forma Verglas in it that can easily solo lvl 150+ enemies and has more HP than my Nidus Prime, all focus schools maxed, and a amb that 1 shots Eidelon shields... LETS GOOOOO!!!!"

DE: "Let me finish..."

Me: "HUH? Sorry hyped."

DE: "Because we scripted them in, not because it will be difficult all the enemies are only level 20..."

Primed Disappointed...

people already complain about the Quest are too hard,imagine the enemy was 80 - 100 + level,some people might crying,i kind a agree i put so much effort just to fight but at the end seems like too easy to get it done.

What part of Warframe is "Too Hard" even the steel path is nothing more than a shooting gallery and unurai/madurai you can do entire steel path missions on only your operator with no weapons....