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JOKER Feb 27, 2024 @ 9:37am
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Mixed feelings about Deep Archimedea
I love the Deep Archimedea concept, but forcing us to use one of 3 random warframes and weapons in each category feels like another desperate and lazy way to "make the game difficult" and "balance the game", just as they previously did with grendel farm (no mods mode) and duviri (random warframes and weapons).

We farmed all these years to become stronger just to end up debuffing ourselves with these kind of stupid mechanics that won't allow us to use the setups WE WANT at their maximum potential

However, I kinda like how the one dimensional tryhard noobs won't be allowed (mostly) to use their meta Revenant+torid+laetum+glaive prime or whatever is the actual meta
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Originally posted by KitKat:
Wow, a whole bunch of folks who like using inefficient tools for the job.

Tell me, do you also tighten screws with a hammer? Or try to put them nails into a wall with a wrench or, hell, why not with your own bare fists too? Sure, you can do both(well, maybe you have fists of steel, who knows!). But will that be effective? Hell no. It won't be effective. That's why there are the right tools for each job - a screwdriver for screws and hammer for nails.

Same applies here. The right warframe, for a specific mission type. In many cases, also with the right weapons too. Taking the choice away and shoehoring you into an RNG choice of only three of each AND making it a requirement for the max reward is not a good thing, at all.

Besides... I'd like to see you go through the maxed-out challenge trio of a missions without a pause between them to change your gear that just happened to roll into Mobile Def + Defense + Assassination and you're given a choice between, say... Ivara, Caliban and Atlas. With the weapon choices of, let's say, Harpak/Veldt/Simulor for primary slot... And let's go for Castanas/Kraken/Lato(Vandal most likely) for the secondary slot. Without any bonuses to those, mind you - just asking you to use those specific things, in order to get the max reward (cuz if you don't use even one-in-slot, you're already not getting it). All while enemies are starting with 300lvl+ and one of the modifiers (that we were shown in the devstream btw) gives every single enemy a little bit of overguard in the first place. I want to see you try and complete this nonsense. Because you won't. Not with these wrong tools for the job.

But sure, you do you, I guess. If you enjoy playing inferior equipment, which is clearly underperforming and in need of buffs/reworks even after heavy investment in them... Go for it. Go play your RNG handicap, if it's fun for you.

And I'm pretty sure none of you will even read the post above, cuz you don't care for proper discussion. Not with these sorts of replies to a well-detailed post:
Originally posted by NashEquil:
Babyrage :lunar2020gigglemonkey:
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**DeiRowtag Feb 27, 2024 @ 10:19am 
it will be like duviri circuit, a painful way to get stuff, glad it doesn't seems to be mandatory tho
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Keycha1n10 Feb 27, 2024 @ 11:09am 
as far as i can tell, its not technically forcing you to only use those frames. its an option to increase the rewards you get. Tactical Potato has a good video that explains it better
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zghaun Feb 27, 2024 @ 2:40pm 
forcing us to use one of 3 random warframes and weapons

I don't think they are forcing us though
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CY13ERPUNK Feb 27, 2024 @ 3:11pm 
Originally posted by Keycha1n10:
as far as i can tell, its not technically forcing you to only use those frames. its an option to increase the rewards you get. Tactical Potato has a good video that explains it better

this right here

"""""FORCING""""" some srs gamer entitlement going on here XD
Last edited by CY13ERPUNK; Feb 27, 2024 @ 3:12pm
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zghaun Feb 27, 2024 @ 3:35pm 
IKR???

It's like saying oh no the Archon hunt is forcing us to use said frame

If it is truly is an end game content, you probably have ALL the Frame by that time anyway

Originally posted by CY13ERPUNK:
Originally posted by Keycha1n10:
as far as i can tell, its not technically forcing you to only use those frames. its an option to increase the rewards you get. Tactical Potato has a good video that explains it better

this right here

"""""FORCING""""" some srs gamer entitlement going on here XD
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player7112 Feb 27, 2024 @ 4:20pm 
Originally posted by Anakin:
We farmed all these years to become stronger
Nope, Imagine Warframe like a "night partner" service and you are here to hire some partners, 10 years passed and you have banged every partners they offered, you don't get stronger.
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tv Feb 27, 2024 @ 4:39pm 
Originally posted by soonoooli:
Originally posted by Anakin:
We farmed all these years to become stronger
Nope, Imagine Warframe like a "night partner" service and you are here to hire some partners, 10 years passed and you have banged every partners they offered, you don't get stronger.

:lunar2020thinkingtiger:
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Daniel Feb 27, 2024 @ 4:46pm 
I wonder if Revenant has anything to do with that decision.
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Illusive Soul Feb 27, 2024 @ 7:08pm 
Deep Archimedea is kind a bad in some way imo,Look at Circuits,if Host DC your progress pretty much screwed,but you can leave anytime when the stage end,but Deep Archimedea ? you are Locked into play 3 mission,if last mission getting a DC from host your first 2 mission progress are wasted.
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Mystra4 Feb 27, 2024 @ 8:54pm 
Originally posted by tv:
Originally posted by soonoooli:
Nope, Imagine Warframe like a "night partner" service and you are here to hire some partners, 10 years passed and you have banged every partners they offered, you don't get stronger.

:lunar2020thinkingtiger:
You MIGHT get stronger, depending on the effort...

I think it's more of a skill issue - the more you do something, the more skilled you become. Deep Archimedea likely requires enough skill that you won't need to use the specific frame... It's just something to challenge you if you want the challenge.
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dexter Feb 27, 2024 @ 10:37pm 
You aren't forced and the Deep Archimedia is the END game of End game content. The people doing the content should have a lot of items unlocked and built. If you have those weapons/frames and decide to use them then you get more loot than you would from normal Netracells.

You don't even have to do Deep Archimedia every week. If you don't like the options then just do the netracells instead.
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KitKat Feb 28, 2024 @ 12:16am 
Originally posted by zghaun:
forcing us to use one of 3 random warframes and weapons

I don't think they are forcing us though
Originally posted by zghaun:
IKR???

It's like saying oh no the Archon hunt is forcing us to use said frame

If it is truly is an end game content, you probably have ALL the Frame by that time anyway

Originally posted by CY13ERPUNK:

this right here

"""""FORCING""""" some srs gamer entitlement going on here XD
Difference between Archon Hunt just giving a bonus to some frame/weapons and this new system literally making your reward bigger for using specific frame/weapon indeed does feel like "forcing".

Bonus damage to frame/weapon on Archon hunt can easily be skipped.

But you are legit forced to use the specific stuff in order to get the full bonus reward. Because according to the devstream stuff they showed, for you to get the FULL bonus reward, you have to eanable ALL the "mutators" to increase your difficulty AND have the specified gear too. Otherwise, if you're not running that even in one of the slots(say you run the needed frame + primary, but not the secondary), you're not gonna get the full bonus reward already.

So yeah. It feels FORCED indeed.
Last edited by KitKat; Feb 28, 2024 @ 12:17am
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NIkto Barada Feb 28, 2024 @ 2:03am 
the 3 missions lock is what worries me too. anytime im in a longer quest i cant help my homies and or do dailies, let it go pls. the rest is so so but thats a funkiller
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Illusive Soul Feb 28, 2024 @ 5:44am 
Originally posted by KitKat:

But you are legit forced to use the specific stuff in order to get the full bonus reward. Because according to the devstream stuff they showed, for you to get the FULL bonus reward, you have to eanable ALL the "mutators" to increase your difficulty AND have the specified gear too. Otherwise, if you're not running that even in one of the slots(say you run the needed frame + primary, but not the secondary), you're not gonna get the full bonus reward already.

So yeah. It feels FORCED indeed.

if you cant deal with the challenge,dont pick it and just play more 3 stack mission,just slower progress,Dint people keep complain the game too easy ? this mode is for them,they do the challenge and gain more progress.

i still dont like 3 mission locked.
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KitKat Feb 28, 2024 @ 6:18am 
Originally posted by Illusive Soul:
Originally posted by KitKat:

But you are legit forced to use the specific stuff in order to get the full bonus reward. Because according to the devstream stuff they showed, for you to get the FULL bonus reward, you have to eanable ALL the "mutators" to increase your difficulty AND have the specified gear too. Otherwise, if you're not running that even in one of the slots(say you run the needed frame + primary, but not the secondary), you're not gonna get the full bonus reward already.

So yeah. It feels FORCED indeed.

if you cant deal with the challenge,dont pick it and just play more 3 stack mission,just slower progress,Dint people keep complain the game too easy ? this mode is for them,they do the challenge and gain more progress.

i still dont like 3 mission locked.
The extra challenge "mutators"(the ones that make enemies more difficult) aren't the problem. Nor the whole 3-mission-in-a-row thing.

The problem is the fact that you have to use SPECIFICALLY one of the 3 frames/weapons... and yes, you have to use them. Because if you don't pick even one from the list while ticking all of the other challenges/"mutators" - you're NOT getting the max reward already.

With all the variety of gear that we have, we're shoehorned into specific randomized nonsense gear in order to get the bonus stuff. THAT is the problem. Gear that would most likely underpeform, even if it's formad and built to hell and back. Because mods on a sigular weapon/frame aren't always everything - in many cases it's also the combination of a warframe+weapon of some kind. And in a few cases, it's literally required - like Khora, Gara or Atlas, with their pseudo-exalteds and taking mods from a weapon. And if you're forced - by this new system - to use a different weapon in slot, which doesn't provide the proper build of mods for this pseudo-exalted - you're severely punishing your warframe's performance.

So yeah. Forcing randomized gear as part of the *requirement* for the extra reward is a bad thing. Because again - without using the randomzied gear, you won't be getting the max extra reward. So then, what's even the point?
Last edited by KitKat; Feb 28, 2024 @ 6:20am
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