Magistar or Sancti Magistar?

[ShatteredPumpkin]

Sancti Magistar has higher base stats and crit chance but 0.10 lower riven dispo tho ive heard that the Regular Magistar gets bigger bonuses from the incardnon genesis?? how so i cant find a full explanation to this is it true or a community myth?

[Kawalorn]

Everything is explained and listed here:
https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Magistar_Incarnon_Genesis

Generally the weaker variant always gets bigger bonuses from incarnon so both weapons can be evened out in power.

As far as I saw the stronger variant usually ends up being the better one anyway.

This is especially visible with Sancti Magistar that receives lifesteal on every hit when Incarnon is active, unlike the normal one.

[IFearSnowman]

I dont see how it really matters honestly

[Gamedoc]

Regular Magistar gets more base damage than Sancti (310 vs 260) but has lower attack speed (0.833 vs 1.0) and less frequent but more powerful crits (36%/3.0x vs 42%/2.2x, assuming you choose Critical Parallel). So it narrows down to pure burst damage vs reliable dps. Another thing to consider is that Sancti Magistar has innate lifesteal and a chance to prevent status effects.

[DP9A]

Regular Magistar gets higher bonuses, but it also has worse stats, so at the end of the day the Sancti Magistar ends up doing more damage. But it also depends on what you're using the magistar for, if you want a stat stick for Khora's Whiplcaw or Excalibur's Slash Dash, base Magistar will be much better. If you want to use it as a regular weapon, Sancti Magistar will be better.

[ShatteredPumpkin]

Originally posted by Macabruh:

I dont see how it really matters honestly

it does when you wanna deal as mouch damage as possible ;)

[ShatteredPumpkin]

Originally posted by DP9A:

Regular Magistar gets higher bonuses, but it also has worse stats, so at the end of the day the Sancti Magistar ends up doing more damage. But it also depends on what you're using the magistar for, if you want a stat stick for Khora's Whiplcaw or Excalibur's Slash Dash, base Magistar will be much better. If you want to use it as a regular weapon, Sancti Magistar will be better.

nah for stat stick i use Verdilac with an insanely strong riven havent found a weapon yet that matches its damage

[IFearSnowman]

Originally posted by ShatteredPumpkin:

Originally posted by Macabruh:

I dont see how it really matters honestly

it does when you wanna deal as mouch damage as possible ;)

ok but why do you want to do that? and do you run all other things that add to direct weapon damage? because again, if not....what does it matter?

[ShatteredPumpkin]

Originally posted by Macabruh:

Originally posted by ShatteredPumpkin:

it does when you wanna deal as mouch damage as possible ;)

ok but why do you want to do that? and do you run all other things that add to direct weapon damage? because again, if not....what does it matter?

again cause i want to lol xD minmaxing dmg is a normal thing to do in games like this

[KitKat]

If you intend to use it as a stat-stick for Khora/Gara/Atlas - pick regular, not Sancti. Because Evolution bonuses are applied to the whole "pseudo exalted" mechanic of those frames. Not the weapon's own stats - but the bonuses from evolution. And since regular Magistar gets BETTER stats than Sancti from the evolution... It's only natural to use the regular one! It's literally a strong flat bonus before mods.

So yeah. Regular over Sancti, if for stat-stick.

Otherwise... whatever floats your boat.

[ShatteredPumpkin]

Originally posted by KitKat:

If you intend to use it as a stat-stick for Khora/Gara - pick regular, not Sancti. Because Evolution bonuses are applied to the whole "pseudo exalted" mechanic of those two frames. Not the weapon's own stats - but the bonuses from evolution. And since regular Magistar gets BETTER stats than Sancti from the evolution... It's only natural to use the regular one! It's literally a strong flat bonus before mods.

So yeah. Regular over Sancti, if for stat-stick.

Otherwise... whatever floats your boat.

got verdilac for stat stick

[KitKat]

Originally posted by ShatteredPumpkin:

got verdilac for stat stick

You do you, I guess. Base Magistar with Incarnon adapter stilll better though.

You asked a question - I replied :) That's all.

[ShatteredPumpkin]

Originally posted by KitKat:

Originally posted by ShatteredPumpkin:

got verdilac for stat stick

You do you, I guess. Base Magistar with Incarnon adapter stilll better though.

You asked a question - I replied :) That's all.

so did i :)

[tv]

Paralell: I regret switching from zylok to zylok prime each day. butchered my riven and thee 50% larger magazine makes keeping the mauler incarnon passive a bigger chore if I accidentally reload.

[FubarOne]

Not sure if you really grasp how much the incarnon bonus benefits Magistar as a stat stick. It adds 16% base crit chance and x1.0 base crit damage. So Khora's Whipclaw goes from 25% crit chance and x2.0 crit damage base to 41% crit chance and x3.0 crit damage base. Those are the stats before mods. Or go with Ceramic Dagger and have 55% crit chance and x2.0 crit damage base. And both of those weapons have better riven dispo than Verdilac, but even without a riven I'm pretty sure they would outperform it.

[ShatteredPumpkin]

Originally posted by FubarOne:

Not sure if you really grasp how much the incarnon bonus benefits Magistar as a stat stick. It adds 16% base crit chance and x1.0 base crit damage. So Khora's Whipclaw goes from 25% crit chance and x2.0 crit damage base to 41% crit chance and x3.0 crit damage base. Those are the stats before mods. Or go with Ceramic Dagger and have 55% crit chance and x2.0 crit damage base. And both of those weapons have better riven dispo than Verdilac, but even without a riven I'm pretty sure they would outperform it.

bruh i know? XD i am not rich i cant buy rivens 24/7 aswell cause i dont grind plat the whole time i barely play the game anymore these days my verdilac is just stronger atm cause of a riven that i have which i do not have for a magistar since they are pretty expensive for people who dont have plat laying arround everywhere xd also can yall stop trying to lead this to a thread thats about Stat stick... i dont play khora at all xD